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Re: The Masters pimento cheese sandwich scandal

#91
Throwaway to not dox myself, thanks.

This article and this thread are written with comments with an air of awe and inspiration at The Masters. It's a sentiment held by tourists and rich people in Augusta. That's not reality.

> Dickson watched the Masters purchase and raze her childhood friends’ entire neighborhood to build a parking lot. “Then five years ago they bought another whole apartment complex, tore it down, and put up another parking lot,”

Yeah that's kind of the tip of the iceberg here.

I was born and raised in that apartment complex. It's a field now. Everyone in that neighborhood knew that The Masters is a force of nature with more money than God. At 6 years old I knew they'd eventually bulldoze the whole neighborhood, including the apartment complex, the Food Lion, the IHOP, the steakhouse, the various strip malls in-between the large oddly-run church who named their strip mall "The Masters' Plaza" (who, at some point got into a legal battle with The Masters and won). The article makes it seem like some kind of surprise that these events happened, but this was par for the course (har har) for The Masters behavior. They'd quietly bought up adjacent properties for years and years and do nothing with them, allowing time to slowly erode the people they'd push out in the process, in the name of their golf club.

That apartment complex was a hive of poor and working class people. It was ~85% Black American, old people on welfare, and mentally disabled people. People who worked as security guards, nurses, truckers, at restaurants and small businesses and more. It was definitely full of crime, and a good place to get drugs, and had some nearby geography (woods and cliffs) on the back of the property that made it easy to hide illegal activity. The property itself was not profitable for any company that owned it as far as I'm aware, until they sold it to the next owner. It was a ponzi scheme of sorts. Growing up there, the name of the complex changed a half-dozen times, from San Susi, to Oak Park, and so on. Each time they'd try to theme the apartment complex, like some kind of hand-me-down amusement park. The original design had "S" as the divider line in all the sidewalks. Then the next iteration they planted oak trees everywhere. Finally during the third major iteration, they moved the main leasing office from a humble repurposed apartment and built a fucking mansion of a building. I heard it cost millions to build. Keep in mind this is a place where a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom apartment costs $400 a month. I think when they built that new leasing office that pissed a lot of people off. Eventually, an iteration or two later, they built fences around the entire major part of the property, which brought the crime elements down a bit. They added a security gate and a guard out front. Eventually, they sold the field at the front of the property to The Masters. They had already allowed The Masters to park cars there for a few years already, so why not?

My point being, this place had history. There were residents who'd never move out on their own. There were some residents so old, or disabled, or on social services that they'd never be able to move anywhere else unless forced. There were people who were born there and lived their entire life there in their 20s and 30s. I wasn't there for when they condemned the property but I can only imagine the absolute nightmare that it caused.

What the folks at The Masters did was disassemble the neighborhood piece by piece. When they saw weakness, they'd buy a small piece of land for cheap and add it to their collection. After all, they have time on their side.

How do you buy an apartment complex for cheap? You make it worth less by getting rid of the support services nearby. You get rid of the grocery store that people could walk to in order to buy their groceries because they were too poor to own a car. You buy the nearby church. You buy the IHOP. You buy the small businesses and you strong arm them out. The camera repairshop, the music business, the barber. And when you do, you don't put anything there. Maybe some grass. Some trees, after a while. Take down the signs, leave the structure. They even managed to close a major road (Old Berckmans Road) and buy a whole set of houses. After a while you end up with this eerie amusement park feeling. Where there used to be a neighborhood, now there's this shell of a landscape, this amusement park for rich people to play golf.

Of course, there's a different set of rules for the rich. There's a Windsor Jewelers that opened a lavish storefront right across from The Masters years ago. Now how does that happen? A piece of land in front of The Masters is for sale and they don't buy it? It doesn't turn into a piece of grassland? Of course, the real story is that the owner is a friend of the owners of The Masters, who also owns a space downtown where he keeps his fancy car collection, and has an apartment-hotel of sorts that he rents out to fancy visitors during the tournament, and for events, weddings, and so on. But that business won't ever be threatened.

The article reads just like I'd expect it to read. It's about this strange story about a piece of amusement park food for rich people. All these people and their lives in the shadow of this rich man's amusement park are just a footnote. "Oh yeah, and then they moved the poors out to make more trees, and eventually they made a hotel that's occupied for only 2 weeks out of the year".

So glad I managed to escape "disgusta" Georgia many years ago. If I never go back it'd be too soon.

Re: The Masters pimento cheese sandwich scandal

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So was the secret ingredient... the tiny amount of finely minced fresh onion? Looking at the final recipe they came up with, that's the only one that seems like you might not guess. Garlic powder is the only other non-standard ingredient, but I feel like whenever you're looking for the "missing secret ingredient" in a savory dish, garlic powder, onion powder and mustard powder are the first things you'd think of, alo…

I think the point of that quote from the guy is that he realized what it was but he's not ever going to tell. The recipe in the article is the guessed one not the secret one.

Re: The Masters pimento cheese sandwich scandal

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The American preference for white bread continues to astound me. Pimentos, cheese, and mayonnaise would be better on literally any other bread.

Matters of taste are not debatable: they just exist. There are many gradations of white sandwich bread, though. There is little beneath Wonder Bread, but that space does exist. Above it: some store brands, Pepperidge Farm, and then some ways up, Arnold's Country White (which is itself at the bottom of Arnold's pale offerings: the Italian is a nice step up, and then their Sourdough, while not holding a candle to a fre…

I'm not familiar with Arnold or his various bread varieties, but sourdough is certainly not what I mean when I say "white bread". Neither is French bread, nor challah, nor any other reasonably flavorful bread made with white flour. The sandwiches under discussion are made with Wonder Bread or something much like it. It is that questionable taste that astounds me.

Re: The Masters pimento cheese sandwich scandal

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matters of taste are not debatable: they just exist. There are many gradations of white sandwich bread, though. There is little beneath Wonder Bread, but that space does exist. Above it: some store brands, Pepperidge Farm, and then some ways up, Arnold's Country White (which is itself at the bottom of Arnold's pale offerings: the Italian is a nice step up, and then their Sourdough, while not holding a candle to a fre…

If matters of taste are not debatable then why do people do it about art?

They don't debate art, they discuss it.

Re: The Masters pimento cheese sandwich scandal

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I'm not a bastard. I don't see an easy way to report your calling me that, and I don't want to bug the mods with an email, so I'll instead just tell you: Go to hell. OK, hope we're even now.

Taking offense at a bit of Latin doggerel which wasn't even addressed directly at you is lame, javert. Responding with direct insults and threats is completely over the top. This is the Internet. Calm down.

You don't get to insult people and then tell them not to take it seriously. That is not how life works.

If you don't mean something, don't say it.

Instead of apologizing, you've now blamed the person you've insulted, for being insulted.

If you're going to treat me this way, you're going to treat other people in this community this way. And that is a problem.

Re: The Masters pimento cheese sandwich scandal

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Palmetto is no longer available at Costco. Some have attributed it to the founder (and mayor of Pawley's Island) making some less-than-tasteful comments about BLM protests in a neighboring city. I don't know that Costco ever officially confirmed that, though. Source: https://news.yahoo.com/costco-pulls-palmetto-cheese-120-1534... Our local Costco has started carrying "Taste of the South" brand pimento cheese: https:/…

How does it compare?

I think it's pretty solid. That plus the low carb bread from Costco is my go-to afternoon snack.

The most notable thing is that it does have a carb in the serving size, while the Palmetto brand did not.

I think if you were also being a pimento purist, it's coming from Easley, which is a long way from the coast?

Re: The Masters pimento cheese sandwich scandal

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This is interesting to hear! They have multiple streams of the tournament on their website, including the TV broadcast, and the fact that they didn't charge for it always felt awesome to me. A few years ago, I was struck by how few commercials there were on the stream, but this year they were much more noticeable. I wonder where they'll settle as far as commercialization.

Augusta National was purpose-built to host a major golf championship. However, when the USGA rejected the course as a candidate for the US Open due to the summer heat in Georgia, they decided to make their own major instead. They were successful in this because they invited a small field of only the world's most elite golfers, put together one of the largest prize pools in golf, and made the event extremely welcoming…

Oh for sure, I know they show way fewer commercials than any other golf broadcast, I was mostly surprised at the increase, because I also got the impression of them being super tradition oriented and I assumed as long as the tournament broke even, they wouldn't do anything else to monetize it.

Re: The Masters pimento cheese sandwich scandal

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This is purely rhetorical, as I have no doubt you will never be invited to join. However, my question is whether you believe there is ever a level of change and progress and reconciliation that would allow an organization with a far-from-perfect past, to move forward and embrace current social values? Or does every organization that ever had a history of racism or sexism permanently on your "banned" list? If there is…

Is this a common rejoinder? I was struck by the other replies stating the same question. Regardless, people who are black weren't invited until 1990, people with vaginas weren't invited until 2012, and the founder was rather infamously proud of this and loud-spoken about it. This is hardly a 'how many times do you need them to apologize' situation, in all cases they merely quietly began accepting people, after defend…

That is my point, they deserve our scorn for being so late to end their bigoted policies, not praise.
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