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Myths About Introverts

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Re: Myths About Introverts

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Just somebody (presumably an introvert) denying common negative generalizations about introverts without providing any supporting references or analysis. Turns out (thank you, oblique63) it was an off-the-cuff list thought up by someone who read a self-help book and was inspired to "redefine [his] entire life in a new and positive context." Seeing introversion as a preference or identity is fine as long as you have a…

You are seriously conflating "social anxiety disorder" and "introversion." The idea that a concert would "drain you so much it will be hard to enjoy" or that an introvert would have a tough time interacting with a group long enough to go on a rock climbing trip is essentially saying that an introverted person is somehow handicapped, or pushed to their introversion by a type of mental disorder. I identify as an introv…

> I identify as an introvert.

But are you an introvert?

There's a difference between self-identification and scientific observation.

Re: Myths About Introverts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And an extrovert trying to become an introvert would probably find himself incredibly bored and lonely. They're just two different orientations, we don't need to be constantly asserting superiority over one or the other.

I agree with your sentiment but I think you're railing against the tide here. Asserting superiority is what people do. It's largely hardwired.

Speak for yourself - I like to think I'm above that.

Re: Myths About Introverts

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I did a degree in Psychology and one of the advanced topics in personality theory that came up when discussing the Introversion/Extroversion spectrum was the concept of 'Pseudo Introversion' and 'Pseudo Extroversion'

The general crux is that there exist people who are what you might call 'biologically' introverts (or extraverts) but who have made a conscious decision that there is something that they love more than their base trait in the I/E personality dimension.

Examples of pesudo-extroverts might be a very shy actor, singer or performer. Socially they'd be considered an introvert, but they love their craft so much that they pretend to be an extrovert in order to do the thing that they love.

I thought it was pretty interesting.

(More reading: http://carletonnow.carleton.ca/february-2004/personalities-a...)

And more, this is a good one too: http://harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/introversion-unbound.html

Re: Myths About Introverts

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Why can't we all just get past labels and respect one another for who we are and act--there wouldn't be a need for this blog post if that was the case which is reason enough to try for that better future.

Re: Myths About Introverts

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Most of the explanations pretty much equate to its corresponding myth, more or less. P.S. being a shy introvert sucks.

indeed, all but #9 and #10 are not myths, for me P.s. many introverts loathe themselves

Because the culture tells introverts that they are basically just "broken extroverts".

EDIT: I meant American culture, as several people have pointed out other cultures are somewhat different about this.

Re: Myths About Introverts

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post #76
post #52

Just somebody (presumably an introvert) denying common negative generalizations about introverts without providing any supporting references or analysis. Turns out (thank you, oblique63) it was an off-the-cuff list thought up by someone who read a self-help book and was inspired to "redefine [his] entire life in a new and positive context." Seeing introversion as a preference or identity is fine as long as you have a…

You are seriously conflating "social anxiety disorder" and "introversion." The idea that a concert would "drain you so much it will be hard to enjoy" or that an introvert would have a tough time interacting with a group long enough to go on a rock climbing trip is essentially saying that an introverted person is somehow handicapped, or pushed to their introversion by a type of mental disorder. I identify as an introv…

You are seriously conflating "social anxiety disorder" and "introversion."

This is actually LOL because when Jung coined the terms, he meant them to refer to ones relationship with the outside world. A person who explores the world alone is an extrovert, because he looks at the world outside himself. A person who is always surrounded by friends but always worries what they think is an introvert; he's looking inwards.

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I feel compelled to share my current process of understanding and dealing with my own introversion. Maybe this will resonate with others, maybe not. Where I am right now, it's more important for me to be able to share this than anything else.

I ended a relationship recently, partly because we had huge communication issues. Her thoughts were always close to the surface, I tended to think about things for hours before finding the courage or words to express ideas that were important to me. When I finally managed to say out loud what I'd been mulling over, she didn't always take me very seriously or even let me finish my thought before jumping in with hers. This of course made it even harder to open up to her again. I tried earnestly to explain to her that I needed quiet time daily to process my thoughts and that interruptions were lethal to my ability to communicate. In the end she never seemed to accept that this was a fundamental part of my personality and not some excuse I was giving her. Often she would make sarcastic comments like "Have you had enough quiet time today?" These relatively innocuous comments hurt me more than most of our arguments, simply because it communicated to me that she truly didn't understand me or what I needed to be happy. Maybe we could have established that communication, but the relationship had gone on too long for that kind of refactoring.

After the relationship ended, I suddenly had ten times the social energy. I thought I was burnt out of performing comedy, but suddenly had more then enough energy. I took the time to study social skills and took a hard look at my life and my emotional state. It became clear to me that being introverted had closed me off to not only her, but to all my friends and even family. I realized that my closest friends actually made me LESS social, simply because of the attitudes they held towards meeting new people and society in general.

So I started cutting them out of my life. I began a new effort of being more social. I limited my "deep thought introverted" time to when I was actually alone. When I was socializing, I made sure that I extroverted the entire time. If I felt the urge to check my phone or zone out of the conversation, I recognized that my energy had run out, excused myself and left. I made new friends who viewed me as a social, outgoing person. Their expectations of me helped my momentum. I forced myself to be open with people. I ignored my tendency to withhold personal information, embarrassing stories, or questions that might make me look stupid. I started bantering more with coworkers that I hadn't been close to before. I started reinforcing the believe that I shouldn't feel the need to hide anything about myself.

I was a little confused by the new amounts of social energy I had. My girlfriend had taken up a lot of my time, but after our breakup, I was able to maintain a schedule with at least twice the social hours as previously. Where was I getting all this energy? I realized that what was draining me wasn't being social, it was being uncomfortable. It was the awkward situations, not social situations in general, that were sapping my energy. I couldn't tell the difference because I was in a situation where 90% of my social interactions were uncomfortable for one reason or another. In my relationship, I was constantly worried about giving her the time she wanted to spend with me while giving my time to process my thoughts and work on projects. In general, I was always trying to follow a train of thought in my head, even when out with friends, or in a meeting, or in a friendly conversation, instead of being present and happy to interact with someone else.

The biggest benefit to this change in my life has been the increased sensitivity to my own emotional state, including how much control I had over my own happiness at any given time by means of my own posture, facial expression and state of mind. I realized that just wearing a stupid grin on my face made my happier than any of my academic or professional accomplishments. It was as if my introversion had muted me to my own emotional state. I began to recognize that humans are essentially emotional antennas. Evolution has conditioned us to subcommunicate volumes of information to each other. The emotional state of a person is broadcast and received by everyone around them. Extroverts are much more sensitive to this than introverts. Suddenly I realized why smalltalk, politeness, and so many other things I had never given much value were so important. Other people felt the effects of these things a hundred times more than I had. And they couldn't help it anymore than I could help being introverted.

The reverse of this is also true, by learning to recognize this, I began to pick up much more how other people were feeling. Connecting with people and making them happy begin to give me as much satisfaction as I've ever had from programming or making something work. I'm beginning to reconsider whether technical work is good for my emotional state, or if I am even cut out to be happy while doing it.

Am I truly an introvert? Yes, I still believe I am pretty strongly introverted by nature. Do I think all introverts are closed off? No. I think most introverts, even those more introverted than me, are more successful than I was at maintaining at least a few close friendships. I do believe that learning how to be comfortable in ones own skin is critical to being a happy person. I certainly didn't give this problem nearly as much attention as I should have. If you take anything away from this, I hope that you will consider if you should be giving it more attention in your life as well.

Re: Myths About Introverts

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Instead of the "War Between the 'Verts", it would be useful to hear some comments about successfully interfacing with the other type. Seems to me the two types complement each other well in business as long as there is mutual respect.

Re: Myths About Introverts

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I think it will be very interesting to see a poll for introverts vs. extroverts. Unfortunately I don't have enough karma to create it...

You might find you're interested in this article called "Geographic Distribution of Big Five Personality Traits" http://www.toddkshackelford.com/downloads/Schmitt-JCCP-2007....

It's a scientific paper so the reading is going to be 'heavy' but if you skip down to page 198 (it's out of a larger journal, actually closer to about 5 or 10 pages in) you'll see that they graph some of the major traits.

  - East Asians are generally introverted while everyone else is pretty much 'flat'

  - East Asia is also the least "Agreeable" while Africa is the most.

  - EA is the least Consientious, while Africa is the most.

  - South America is the most open to new experiences while East Asia is the most conservative and resistant to change.

  - EA is the most Neurotic, while Africa is the least.
It's possible that the outstanding nature of the results indicate that something might have been lost in translation when adapting the test to the East Asian market - but who knows? These things are usually quite heavily tested.

I'm sure there's a lot more in there that's neat in there, but I only did a quick glance.

For a more 'high level' explanation of what the aspects of the big five are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits is a fine overview, and you can actually do your very own personality inventory online http://www.personalitytest.org.uk/ seems good with a 41 item test, but you can also try some larger ones out there - I've done some 100 item tests online.

Re: Myths About Introverts

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your sentiment but I think you're railing against the tide here. Asserting superiority is what people do. It's largely hardwired.

Speak for yourself - I like to think I'm above that.

So does everyone else. :)
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