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Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by e12e » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

richards wrote: post #3

count wrote: post #2

"Anthos clusters on AWS" No equivalent alternative. Uh. Really, no Anthos on AWS equivalent on Azure? Or AWS? Boy, they're really missing that managed Kubernetes cluster game. Maybe I'm just dense, having only been doing this cloud thing for a decade or so, but this table seems...misleading or just wrong in so many ways.

Keeping scrolling! Under GKE (managed Kubernetes), you see the call outs to EKS and AKS, respectively. The Anthos point is that other clouds don't offer their k8s stacks as supported options on other clouds. If you see things you find wrong in the table, let me know. Disclaimer: I work in product management at Google Cloud

> "supported options"

So you can get Google managed k8s on azure with Google support (ie: none?) rather than managed k8s on azure with ms support (ie: some?)?

Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by e12e » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 5:39 PM UTC

I'd like to see columns for "avg time to talk to a human(support)" and "recourse on account deletion due to perceived policy violation".

I'm not sure how azure and aws score - but better than Google?

[ed: as a side note - I've yet to try and get support from azure or aws (we use both) - but we did get prompt reply/action from digital ocean the few times we've needed to reach out]

Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by wlpu » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

I really would not consider Dataproc to provide the equivalent capability of AWS Batch. It's quite painful how many of GCP's services rely on GKE. Ultimately I'd like to see more services like Cloud Run from GCP.

Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by thedevelopnik » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

Johnny555 wrote: post #22

thedevelopnik wrote: post #17

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I love Google’s Cloud services. I think in many ways they have the best product. I also worked somewhere where we made a million dollar commit. We had to get support through a VAR because Google basically doesn’t offer support. We basically paid someone else to file tickets that got dismissive responses while we had prod meltdown. They’re also price competitive. I was going to go there again in my current position in…

In what ways is Google the best product if you had a prod meltdown and couldn't get support, and when you wanted to increase your use of GCS at another job, you were unable to do so?

Yeah fair question.

I love their GUI, the way projects are organized and RBAC is handled across them. Creating custom cpu/mem ratio machines.

Little things like VMs in a kubernetes cluster being viewable as VMs (they’re obscured in Azure I’ve learned).

Pricing!

Like, there are very few ways they’re not my favorite cloud provider. Which speaks to how unspeakably horrible their support is that at my current org I am not going with them.

Because at the end of the day, a pretty good infrastructure product that you can get support for wins every time over an excellent one that when it breaks is catastrophic and nobody listens.

I’m spending this week rebuilding all my Azure infra because I learned about 10 different ways they hide ridiculous price increases in what you build and my infra costs twice what I thought it would. But I literally can’t get ahold of someone at Google to help me become a customer.

Meanwhile I’m not even paying for support at Azure yet and when I sent an email about the pricing I got a response from a human who checked up on my satisfaction, and then from her boss, who was checking on my satisfaction with the first email.

Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by thedevelopnik » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #32

thedevelopnik wrote: post #17

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I love Google’s Cloud services. I think in many ways they have the best product. I also worked somewhere where we made a million dollar commit. We had to get support through a VAR because Google basically doesn’t offer support. We basically paid someone else to file tickets that got dismissive responses while we had prod meltdown. They’re also price competitive. I was going to go there again in my current position in…

How long ago was this? On my ‘basic’ workspace plan the help button asks you to describe your issue, but then it’s one click away from getting phone support.

The phone and chat buttons never show up for me. We’re on a non-profit plan so maybe that’s why.

Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by richards » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

sanatgersappa wrote: post #10

richards wrote: post #3

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Keeping scrolling! Under GKE (managed Kubernetes), you see the call outs to EKS and AKS, respectively. The Anthos point is that other clouds don't offer their k8s stacks as supported options on other clouds. If you see things you find wrong in the table, let me know. Disclaimer: I work in product management at Google Cloud

um, how about this one? - https://azure.microsoft.com/en-in/services/azure-arc

Arc looks cool, but it's only the control plane. They aren't dropping AKS into other environments. The compute is your responsibility. Anthos puts GKE in other places.

Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by arapatzanadhih » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 8:42 PM UTC

rany_ wrote: post #74

movedx wrote: post #37

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Do you have a screenshot?

Search for "Redshit" in https://web.archive.org/web/20210324005720/https://cloud.goo... It is legit

Fixed now. Ooof.

Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by arapatzanadhih » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 8:47 PM UTC

plasma wrote: post #20

My personal experience with Azure/AWS is that sometimes the products sound the same but there are painful caveats. For example, Azure Event Hubs and AWS Kinesis both say you can pick a shard key (eg CustomerId) in your messages to have processing order for each customer. However, Azure Event Hubs notes (and my experience was that) using this feature is subject to downtime because each shard is not highly available so…

It's true, no two products are ever exactly equivalent. And also you might like a specific product, but avoid using it because you don't like the platform it is part of.

Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by sman393 » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 9:31 PM UTC

sprite wrote: post #49

pkulak wrote: post #45

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Oh just get your Google account shut down with zero warning and loose everything forever.

This is and the lack of human support is the reason I w ill never host anything with Google ever.

Not sure what you mean about a lack of human support, but i've had a great experience with their support team so far if it was ever needed.

Re: Compare AWS and Azure Services to Google Cloud

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Post by sman393 » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 9:33 PM UTC

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #84

runeks wrote: post #57

I use GCP for hobby projects because it’s simpler than AWS, has a better GUI and better documentation. For a commercial project I would probably go with AWS, since I’ve heard a lot of horror stories about GCP support. I’ve been scared away from Azure after using it for a couple of courses at university. It just seemed half-baked: lots of GUI glitches/bugs (e.g. reliably needing to press a button exactly twice). It ju…

GCP has vastly worse documentation than AWS unfortunately.

I have to disagree with that, I've found GCP docs to be much more informative and easier to digest.