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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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All I can think of is the Simpsons gif of Mr Burns being alive because he has so many ailments they all cancel each other out. [0] https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/951930408261881856

Mr. Burns is Indestructible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0euMFAWF8

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Well, I am about to get vaccinated with astrazeneca in half an hour ... but my counter argument would be: relying on vaccination and sterilisation too much, causes the immune system to be weak, too. Immune system needs practice, too.

> relying on vaccination and sterilisation too much, causes the immune system to be weak I think you fundamentally misunderstand the mechanism of vaccination.

I think I do, but do you?

Because the way I understand it, vaccination trains only a very specific part of the immune system. Which is then indeed effective against the very specific virus, but does not really increase your general immune system strength.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Another reason I personally would not like to get vaccinated. Nature and evolution solve all problems sooner or later.

You might be happy to die needlessly but you endager others who don't want to.

Not the GP, but I have a question for you: if the vaccine works, why would I be putting others in danger by not getting it? Can't they get vaccinated instead?

If they can't, doesn't that just mean the vaccine is defective? As far as I know, vaccines are meant for those who are weaker, so if they can't get it, it seems to me that the vaccine is defective.

Also, the CDC has admitted that the asymptomatic transmission rate is far less than previously thought. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7004e3.htm?s_cid=mm...)

With all of that put together, it seems to me that if I am healthy, it would be better for me to save the vaccines for those who want them and need them and let my immune system build my immunity.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Another reason I personally would not like to get vaccinated. Nature and evolution solve all problems sooner or later.

Please get vaccinated, it's good for society and yourself.

Not the GP.

Because society has accepted liability for vaccine injury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Inj... and https://www.medicallicenselawyers.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-...), it seems to me that it would be good for society for me to make the best choice for myself about the vaccine. Since society will pay if I get hurt, it would be best for me to weigh that in the decision to get vaccinated.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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This is a pretty interesting hypothesis. Maybe there’s nothing really special about SARS type coronaviruses besides their novelty. Is it possible that all coronaviruses, including the ones that cause a common cold, have a similar morbidity profile to COVID? Very minor infection in the young or those with previous exposure, extremely deadly in the old and naive. Except we all catch a bunch of colds in childhood, so no…

I have been saying this for many years, and have been condescended to a lot (by friends, even) for saying it. We clearly don’t have the faintest understanding of the long-term dynamics of something like SARS, when all the conventional model parameters go to such extremes. And when the disease is evolving. And when people retreat inside and stop getting sun. And so on.

>I have been saying this for many years, and have been condescended to a lot (by friends, even) for saying it.

What exactly have you been saying?

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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This seems unlikely to scale out of the lab. The experiment used a "replica of the lining of our airways, made out of the same types of cells, and infected it with Sars-CoV-2 and rhinovirus". Although rhinoviruses primarily target receptors found in the airway, Sars-Cov-2 targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in just about every organ in your body. If the airway cells were "occupied" by rhinoviruses, then Sars-Cov-2 could just travel to the lungs and infect the cells there. Or to the cells of your olfactory system, and cause loss of smell. Or to your stomach. Although it is interesting that these viruses compete when targeting the same cells, using rhinoviruses to prevent Sars-Cov-2 seems very unlikely in the real world.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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You might be happy to die needlessly but you endager others who don't want to.

Not the GP, but I have a question for you: if the vaccine works, why would I be putting others in danger by not getting it? Can't they get vaccinated instead? If they can't, doesn't that just mean the vaccine is defective? As far as I know, vaccines are meant for those who are weaker, so if they can't get it, it seems to me that the vaccine is defective. Also, the CDC has admitted that the asymptomatic transmission r…

If we have a significant population of unvaccinated people, that provides the breeding ground for the virus to multiply and mutate into new strains that may bypass the current vaccine induced immunity which would require yet another round of vaccines.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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> athiest of a kind we'd consider close to New Athiesm twitch It's Atheism. "A-" as a negation like in apolitical, atypical, aseptic. And "theism" meaning "belief in god", same root as theology or theocracy.

I do not understand what you mean here.

Grandparent comment misspelled atheism; parent comment is being obnoxious about it.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Another reason I personally would not like to get vaccinated. Nature and evolution solve all problems sooner or later.

Tell that to the dinosaurs.

They grew wings and spread to every corner of the Earth? We call them "birds" now.
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