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Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by mempko »

raspasov wrote: post #18
gxs wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but never say never. The Chinese will for sure have their own version of Silicon Valley and their giants will rival ours, no doubt. I think there will be other critical centers of tech innovation, similar to how Hollywood is Hollywood but NYC has an industry as well.

The fear of China "overtaking" the US is like the fear of the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Real, but with no substance. A system built on top of paranoia is very unlikely to succeed.

I'm sorry, but China is much stronger economically than the USSR ever was

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by dang »

earthscienceman wrote: post #43
shinkim0914 wrote: post #26

There is no place like Silicon Valley where taking a career risk to quit a job and start a company is normalized, understood, and encouraged.

... that's because it's not a career risk when you're a multi millionaire who will just be rehired by your friends if your venture fails.

I don't think that's the primary reason, nor as common as you imply. The old saw about how SV is a place where failure isn't disrespected is closer to the truth.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by baby »

shinkim0914 wrote: post #26

There is no place like Silicon Valley where taking a career risk to quit a job and start a company is normalized, understood, and encouraged.

Yet with the high rents and the lack of universal healthcare it takes a crazy person to take such a risk. I personally will start my startup from abroad when the time is right.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by baby »

onethought wrote: post #6

Isn't another growing/bigger centre for technology innovation now in China/Taiwan? Are we just pretending that Silicon Valley is still Mecca?

I was in both BJ and Taipei and I didn’t see that. BJ has Chinese players for sure, but that’s it, while Taipei still feels like a small player that’s comparable to berlin / chiangmai

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by kelnos »

raspasov wrote: post #18
gxs wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but never say never. The Chinese will for sure have their own version of Silicon Valley and their giants will rival ours, no doubt. I think there will be other critical centers of tech innovation, similar to how Hollywood is Hollywood but NYC has an industry as well.

The fear of China "overtaking" the US is like the fear of the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Real, but with no substance. A system built on top of paranoia is very unlikely to succeed.

Downplaying China and their potential is exactly how China got to the level of prominence they have today. I don't see the Soviet Union as a good comparison. I think China could still fail, of course, but they're much more likely than the Soviets (from whom they no doubt learned some of what not to do) to succeed in the longer term.

The biggest problem is that the West is allowing them to win, by being addicted to cheap goods and losing the ability to manufacture many things (cost-effectively or at all) ourselves, while China doesn't open up their markets to outsiders, at least nowhere near the same degree as we give them access.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by 0DHm2CxO7Lb3 »

wojciii wrote: post #21
ping_pong wrote: post #5

Im so tired of random writers, even if it's O'Reilly himself, trying to predict that Silicon Valley is doomed. That's like saying Hollywood is doomed, or Wall Street is doomed. I've been around long enough to know that nothing will unseat Silicon Valley as the tech capital of the world. Silicon Valley has the critical mass of talent, VC money and greed that can't be replicated anywhere else in the world. There's a re…

> There's a reason why we have never seen a world leading tech company come out from anywhere except the US. A few examples: Nokia (the sleeping giant will awaken again :)) Nordic Semiconductor The Qt Company Unity Technologies I might be influenced by living in Scandinavia. :)

Also Nintendo, Sony, Ericsson, and Samsung

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by dang »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #25
ping_pong wrote: post #5

Im so tired of random writers, even if it's O'Reilly himself, trying to predict that Silicon Valley is doomed. That's like saying Hollywood is doomed, or Wall Street is doomed. I've been around long enough to know that nothing will unseat Silicon Valley as the tech capital of the world. Silicon Valley has the critical mass of talent, VC money and greed that can't be replicated anywhere else in the world. There's a re…

> Silicon Valley will never die. Over what time period? It’s absurd to say this and mean forever, if you have ever opened a history book. Even America itself will pass out of dominance, as all superpowers have. Rome, Britain, etc. Change is the rule, not the exception. It is the natural way. https://marketcap.com.au/history-world-reserve-currencies/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnyCJDYONSU#t=57

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by kelnos »

gxs wrote: post #20
raspasov wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fear of China "overtaking" the US is like the fear of the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Real, but with no substance. A system built on top of paranoia is very unlikely to succeed.

No one said they would over take - merely they that are a formidable foe and will have a presence no doubt. The kind of hubris in this thread tells me despite how asinine these articles are they hit HNs nerve.

I wouldn't say "no one"; my personal opinion is that if the West doesn't wake up, they'll quite easily overtake in a few decades, if not sooner. We continue to enable their rise, while ignoring their bad behavior, all because we need access to their manufacturing capability... capability we've willingly ceded to them over the past decades.

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by NeverFade »

dang wrote: post #57
NeverFade wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon Musk has "peaked in his career"? I understand that we need to rudely dismiss everyone who left NorCal, but maybe let's try to maintain some semblance of connection to reality?

Please let's not go into the Musk Wars. They're all the same and always lame.

Hi! Maybe you'd like to address the blatant abuse of the flagging system on this website?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26402532

Re: Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by pjc50 »

networkimprov wrote: post #47

This overlooks the cybercrime crisis, which in 2020 did ~4x more financial damage than weather & climate disasters. And it's expected to get much worse this year. https://twitter.com/mnmnotmail/status/1372201054213787660 Silicon Valley probably has a role to play in suppressing cybercrime. References: Cybercrime, $945B: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/07/cybersecu... Climate, $258B: https://yaleclimat…

That seems astonishing and hard to believe; the WaPo is paywalled, where are they getting that number from? Is it by any chance an organization trying to sell cybercrime solutions?

SV has probably had just as much a role in enabling cybercrime as fighting it.

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