Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you say that?
Because every Greenwald story is the same story: 'THE SKY IS FALLING! THE ELITES ARE LYING! THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ARE IN BED WITH THE ELITES! ONLY I GLENN GREENWALD AM TRUSTWORTHY! BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO DEPLATFORM ME! SHARE LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT! BWARARARAHWHHWGAG!" Meanwhile what's his deal? He accuses The Intercept of skullduggery because they dared edit him. Substack is most likely secret…
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#92Greenwald is certainly biased, on the one hand he says this: > Think about that: to a CNN reporter, evidence-free assertions from the U.S. security state are tantamount to “confirmation.” That they really do think this way is nothing short of chilling. On the other hand, the laptop produced by Guliani (of which how he got it is weird) is taken as absolute gospel by Greenwald. I mean, question both sides at least??
Since no side disputes the authenticity of what's in the laptop, there's no reason for Greenwald to do so.
The one-sided burrying of the story from tech and media at the time though (and this new BS faux-reporting coming up now), would be hugely problematic if it wasn't standard practice by now...
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#93It seems it’s a very corrupt institution and probably always has been. For a while there they made people believe them to be the “fourth estate” the defenders of the democratic faith, etc. Sadly, it seems it was all a rouse and a bullshit narrative. They are not defending the constitution in any way. All they care about is whatever happens to be their particular agenda at a particular point in time which may coincide…
Gonna disagree there. I’ve worked with journalists (am not one) and it’s not BS as you seem to suggest.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
"no widespread election fraud" But, there wasn't. This has been backed up in courts and by various gov and independent agencies - and then reported in the news. "insurrection" The Capitol was stormed. You can even watch the video. There is evidence of advance planning by some groups involved (see Proud Boys and Oath Keepers etc.). It disrupted sessions of the House and the Senate. VP was evacuated by Secret Service.…
The key is inserting “widespread” as a qualifier. It’s like saying, did you steal a million dollars? No, I didn’t steal a _million_ dollars! (leaving blank they stole ten thousand thousand). A member of the police force died. It’s uncertain he was killed. If you listened to the media it was an armed insurrection. In reality it was a bunch of idiots a half dozen of whom had weapons. If you believed the media hundreds…
If this is a sarcastic post, well done!
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#95>"Derkach, Kilimnick, and their associates sought to use prominent US persons and media conduits to launder their narratives to US officials and audiences..."
Now, I don't know if any of this is true or not...
In fact, I don't know any of these people...
But that's not the point!
You see, as an amateur linguist (I know, "keep the day job!" ), I am always on the look out for new buzzwords, new catch phrases, new lingo...
Before this article (or more specifically, the quoted retweet), I had never seen the words "launder" and "narrative" used adjacently (or very close to adjacently), that is, "launder their narratives".
Phrasing those two concepts in language more succinctly, one gets:
"Narrative Laundering"
Which is my (linguistic!) takeaway from this article...
So, that term -- is going into my 2021 lexicon!
"Narrative Laundering"
(It sort of fits alongside such other words/terminology as "Fake News", "Making Mountains Out Of A Molehills", "Memory Hole", "De Minimis", "Much Ado About Nothing", "Revisionism", "Damnatio Memoriae", "Conflation", etc.)
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#96It seems it’s a very corrupt institution and probably always has been. For a while there they made people believe them to be the “fourth estate” the defenders of the democratic faith, etc. Sadly, it seems it was all a rouse and a bullshit narrative. They are not defending the constitution in any way. All they care about is whatever happens to be their particular agenda at a particular point in time which may coincide…
Here's an interview with Tucker Carlson and Greenwald. https://youtu.be/l8pkCZBjgrk?t=252 Where we hear about the CIA deep state in its long attempt to thwart Donald Trump, even before his election. Just part of the story of Greenwald leaving the Intercept. Accoring to Greenwald, the conspiracy goes deep. There is now a full union with the Democrats, the CIA, the Bush-Cheney operatives, Silicon Valley, and Wall Stree…
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#97I don’t see a way out of this, I suppose we should all just get used to living in reality tunnels and learn to get along with people with opposite beliefs.
That'll never happen most likely. I live in San Francisco, you can get screamed at and assaulted for "getting along" with people.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gonna disagree there. I’ve worked with journalists (am not one) and it’s not BS as you seem to suggest.
I've also worked with "journalists" (can you call yourself that when the show is named after you?). They are not well adjusted individuals, so I guess they aren't technically lying once they've sufficiently deluded themselves.
I don't think you have worked with journalists in the sense that I use the word. When I use the term its with trained news gatherers, who go to great lengths to cover a subject, and have an approach to objectivity and fact-checking when they present their work - and follow-up as corrections (inevitable at some point) are required.
When you bring in organizations like the NYT/WaPo/etc to this, you will find layers of process and rigor to ensure any story is held to high standards, facts are verified and substantiated.
Yes, the process can break and is not perfect, but it generally works. Facts often speak for themselves.
As one person once told me (I'm paraphrasing): good journalists don't just write and publish. It's like when a developer writes code directly on production - you don't do that. Instead there are unit tests, code review, editing, testing, and then its deployed. Journalism institutions have their own versions of this.
Look at the story of how Greenwald parted ways with The Intercept. It was because he wouldn't follow that journalistic process. He said he was above being 'edited' and free to make any claim he wanted without substantiating it - those are the people you need to be careful of.
- https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...
- https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/inside-glenn-greenwa...
- https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-int...
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#99Greenwald is certainly biased, on the one hand he says this: > Think about that: to a CNN reporter, evidence-free assertions from the U.S. security state are tantamount to “confirmation.” That they really do think this way is nothing short of chilling. On the other hand, the laptop produced by Guliani (of which how he got it is weird) is taken as absolute gospel by Greenwald. I mean, question both sides at least??
> I mean, question both sides at least?? Since no side disputes the authenticity of what's in the laptop, there's no reason for Greenwald to do so. The one-sided burrying of the story from tech and media at the time though (and this new BS faux-reporting coming up now), would be hugely problematic if it wasn't standard practice by now...
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you read the article Glenn wrote that was never published? I’m curious what part exactly you’d call dishonest or unworthy of publication? Glenn does write in an emotional way, but what I like is he tends to exhaustive reference and source his data points. You nicely danced around my comment that none of the content from the laptop has been denied by the Biden team. That’s relevant, no?
That unpublished article was expertly crafted lightning rod contrarian bait. He calculatedly spun two ‘sides’ very differently and held the ‘evidence’ to different standards, including specifically omitting multiple source facts inconvenient to his spin while seeming to invite them. Example, from the top level article today: > In the weeks leading up to the 2020 election, The New York Post obtained that laptop and pu…
Given that the content HAS been verified as real, then bringing up the circumstances of how the laptop ended up in the NY Post's hands is simply an irrelevant diversion designed to muddy the waters.
> That word is doing a _lot_ of work there.
What work is it doing? If the content is real, what circumstances of the obtaining could possibly change opinions or analysis made *solely about* the content?
Nobody denies there were political machinations and obfuscations about the laptop's journey, involving political adversaries of Joe Biden, but that story is a separate one from analysis of the laptop's contents.