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Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
The banning of minarets is a data point against this liberty.
They're also about to ban niqab / burka.
They voted for the ban today. France showed that it had little positive effect for women.
The University of Lucerne ran a study and came to the conclusion that there are around 20-30 women in all of Switzerland who wear a niqap or a burqa.
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#93“It is key for Switzerland to catch up with other countries when it comes digitalisation“ Why?
The latest European standard for IDs is a credit-card sized of plastic with a chip in it. It should allow more security, because digital signature is harder to forge than previous physical securities. But also you could use them more easily in other countries, as it can be read by a computer, and not a human that speaks a finite set of languages. Lastly, you could use them for authentication for various online and da…
> digital signature is harder to forge than previous physical securities
Yet there are countries running 3072-bit RSA on Infineon chips, because their 3K keys are least broken. Discovery also entailed country-wide certificate revocation, which IIRC happened days if not weeks after the flaws were public, while the law states a digital signature has the same bearing as a physical one.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
> All persons have the right to receive respect for their private and family life, home, and secrecy of the mails and telecommunications. I really wish the US had this. Here, even simple acts like registering to vote or getting a driver license, bank account, credit card means your personal residence gets leaked to spammers, scammers, data brokers, and eventually, stalkers. There really should be laws saying that per…
The information in voter registration isn't "leaked." It's public as a matter of record. (The details probably vary by state.) So are real estate purchases. (Although the latter can be gotten around in various ways.) There are tradeoffs between transparency and privacy.
That's a problem. If I knew it was going to be given out, I would probably have not registered to vote, and I wasn't told about that by the people who helped me register. I don't think I agreed to any ToS that said that my address would be available to the public.
As much as I think voter turnout is important, making personal addresses accessible to the public crosses the line for me.
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#95Switzerland has this in its constitution: Article 13: Right to Privacy 1. All persons have the right to receive respect for their private and family life, home, and secrecy of the mails and telecommunications. 2. All persons have the right to be protected against the abuse of personal data. Also the constitution can be only changed by voting.
The European Union has the GDPR which offers protection of privacy and personal data. Mail and telecoms are covered by other legislation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula...
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#96They are also incredibly xenophobic (i.e. Japanese levels).
> They are also incredibly xenophobic The Swiss are xenophobic? Eh? They welcome people from all over the world to come together to work towards peace and humanitarianism in their country. They host the only truly international humanitarian organisation in the world. They helped build many of the institutions that try to reduce conflict. Calling them xenophobic is bizarre.
The SVP is a very strong party in Switzerland. It is not a stretch to call it xenophobic. Switzerland - like any place - has many faces. It hosts great institutions but yes, it also has its share of societal xenophobia.
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#97Almost every politician wants more power over citizens. That is why a binding popular referendum is necessary in cases like these. Congrats to the Swiss people, I am a little bit jealous.
Unfortunately such referendum don’t scale well though.
>Unfortunately such referendum don’t scale well though.
It would if the federal government was shrunk back to what it was designed to be in the first place and states where given actual governing power.
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#98"... almost no government has the IT capacity and resources to single-handedly develop an eID quickly and to the appropriate standards." Bullshit. We're talking identity management here. Any government that can't handle that internally doesn't deserve to exist. What that's really about is feathering the nests of tech industry donors (and/or the non-tech middlemen or middlewomen who seem to grow like weeds around the…
This. In Europe you'll find the likes of Capgemini, Accenture, Cognizant, etc. hovering like flies around government IT projects.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a datapoint: Switzerland has the highest proportion of foreigners in Europe (25%; with the exception of Luxembourg, and perhaps some microstates like Vatican, Monte Carlo, don't know about those). So I don't think there's any comparison at all to Japan (2%).
Are the "foreigners" mostly other Europeans?
What do you mean 'other Europeans'? There's a great variety of culture in Europe, it's a densely packed continent.
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#100Switzerland has an awesome electoral system [1]. Instead of being ruled by a president or a prime minister who can be polarising, divisive, or selective, Switzerland has an Executive Council. The 7 member Executive Council is composed of the top 7 candidates from each election. The chairperson of the executive council rotates each year, so that the top 4 vote winners each get a turn at being chairperson. This means t…
Well, that same system also voted on banning Muslim face coverings ("Experts estimate that at most a few dozen Muslim women wear full-face coverings in the country of 8.5 million people."), while a pandemic is going on and face coverings for protection are recommended. https://apnews.com/article/health-legislation-coronavirus-pa...
You seem to be expressing an opinion about banning Muslim face coverings.
I am not responding to your expression of opinion - just clarifying how the Swiss electoral system is structured.
That vote was a referendum, which is another component of the Swiss system, separate and complimentary to the Executive Council.