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Re: Mischa's Cursed Webring

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Post by cosmodisk »

iFreilicht wrote: post #86
cosmodisk wrote: post #50

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I think I had enough "creativity" from webdesign. Video backgrounds, fading,or reappearing text sections, absurd colour schemes,or overengineered SPAs. I'd happily trade all that shiny wrapping paper into something a bit more boring and consistent.

Absolutely agree. There are so many creative but obnoxious design patterns caused by a need to distinguish a brand or the designers seeing themselves as artists more than engineers. Coolness over usability is commonplace, but it's not a good mantra to follow, and it's genuinely refreshing to see stuff like https://www.nngroup.com/ that is usable and functional on all devices, as boring as it may look. But it doesn't…

Webdesign is no different to physical product design or architecture. These are difficult fields and very few get it right, like Dieter Rams. Design, as a subject,is actually so far from art,even though,as you mentioned, some try to mix them together for some 'cool' results that almost always end up being ridiculously inconvenient to use.

Re: Mischa's Cursed Webring

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Post by joemi »

andrewflnr wrote: post #42
joemi wrote: post #37

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If 'cursed' is derogatory, then it seems unfair/mean to call sites cursed just for not keeping up with current web design trends. Shouldn't we be better than that?

Not exactly. "Cursed" in modern slang is more like something weird and unsettling in a way that's probably funny and may or may not actually be bad.

Your description sure sounds derogatory.

Re: Mischa's Cursed Webring

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Post by joemi »

junon wrote: post #74
joemi wrote: post #37

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If 'cursed' is derogatory, then it seems unfair/mean to call sites cursed just for not keeping up with current web design trends. Shouldn't we be better than that?

"Cursed" comes from meme culture. It's not derogatory.

How isn't it derogatory? It seems to me to be something to laugh at (not with) and/or be afraid of.

Re: Mischa's Cursed Webring

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Post by krapp »

johnfn wrote: post #90
krapp wrote: post #71

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The web wasn't that arcane or challenging to develop for - plenty of people without that much deep technical know-how managed with raw HTML and CSS, copy and paste and w3schools. Although most people weren't that creative, either. If anything, web development is far more arcane and challenging now. No one just writes HTML, CSS or JS in a text editor anymore, the bare minimum expectation is to use complex frontend fra…

I mean, this is easy to say, but I don’t think anyone in their right mind would willingly go back to 90s era web development of they had a choice. JS was a pitiful version of its current self - and good luck debugging it without browser debugging tools. CSS was done primarily with tables. Iframes were used everywhere. The state of the art web development IDE was notepad++. Browser inconsistencies were rampant and I h…

Modern web development has also created its share of problems. Needing to import 20 JS files and manage namespaces isn't a problem anyone had before the JS community decided every "library" had to consist of only a single function rigged to an entire test suite with an arbitrarily deep dependency tree. Sure, finding libraries, adding them in script tags and uploading them directly to the server (or linking to a CDN) wasn't as convenient as using a package manager, but vast sections of the web didn't stop working because a repo got pulled or because the SPOF repository for the language went down.

And then you have compile-to-js languages like Typescript, and the entire paradigm of "javascript as bytecode" which, for all of their benefits in adding safety, also added exponential complexity. Frontend frameworks with their own unique paradigms that generate HTML and CSS entirely in JS, and ignore the separation of concerns the web is actually built around.

All of these have their place and their value, but the fact that "vanilla JS" is coming back as a trend might be a sign that things have strayed a bit too far in the wrong direction.

Re: Mischa's Cursed Webring

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Post by junon »

joemi wrote: post #93
junon wrote: post #74

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"Cursed" comes from meme culture. It's not derogatory.

How isn't it derogatory? It seems to me to be something to laugh at (not with) and/or be afraid of.

Nope, it has kind of an obscure meaning, such as "unusual" or "interestingly strange". Blessed is the antonym, meaning "cathartic" or "wholesome".

Re: Mischa's Cursed Webring

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Post by cyberbanjo »

hedora wrote: post #77
samatman wrote: post #57

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Indeed. I don't have a better solution, but there has to be a better treatment for paranoid schizophrenia than kidnapping them, strapping them to a bed, transporting them in a windowless vehicle to a location they've never been, forcibly drugging them, and letting them wander around with other psychotics for a couple days.

The current solution in California is to fire them and strip them of health insurance, wait for them to go broke, then dump them on the streets to live with other psychotics, and worse. A few days at the funny farm is far more humane than this, even if a sane person occasionally gets stuck in a 24 hour medical hold.

It's 72 hours and can be delayed if there are not enough doctors for you to be seen. YMMV thats FL, US

Re: Mischa's Cursed Webring

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Post by johnfn »

krapp wrote: post #94
johnfn wrote: post #90

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I mean, this is easy to say, but I don’t think anyone in their right mind would willingly go back to 90s era web development of they had a choice. JS was a pitiful version of its current self - and good luck debugging it without browser debugging tools. CSS was done primarily with tables. Iframes were used everywhere. The state of the art web development IDE was notepad++. Browser inconsistencies were rampant and I h…

Modern web development has also created its share of problems. Needing to import 20 JS files and manage namespaces isn't a problem anyone had before the JS community decided every "library" had to consist of only a single function rigged to an entire test suite with an arbitrarily deep dependency tree. Sure, finding libraries, adding them in script tags and uploading them directly to the server (or linking to a CDN)…

I think it's just two camps. The vanillajs camp is people mostly working on their own, who can't imagine what all that overhead is for. The other camp is people mostly working at large corporations, who can't imagine any other way to deal with hundreds of engineers checking in code every day.

Re: Mischa's Cursed Webring

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Post by hinkley »

tomcooks wrote: post #75
hinkley wrote: post #45

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Overlooking the ol' bezel trick, High saturation text on a black background does not cancel out the overuse of high saturation colors. This looks like a flyer for Hempfest 2021. (Why do pot smokers enjoy higher saturation than the rest of us? Has anyone studied this?)

Blood in the eye area, and half-mast eyelids

Do you think it's similar to fancy clothes in Kenya, where bold contrasts and high saturation seem to be the norm? Not because they're stoned, but because, as I learned as a child, if you spend all day in bright light and go inside you can't see shit because your photoreceptors aren't bouncing back quickly enough.
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