Hi from the developed world.. just checked, the slowest available broadband here is 200Mpbs/20Mpbs. Default is 200/200, I and most people I know went with 1000/1000Mpbs.
100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
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Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
#92> The funding is going to a mix of cable, fiber, and fixed wireless providers, plus SpaceX's Starlink satellite network. I think cable providers should be left out. They were already gifted many billions of dollars in the past for this same basic purpose but they pocketed the money. They can just use the free money they've already been given. Instead, the funding should go to existing munipical fiber ISPs to expand t…
How much does it cost? Here Spectrum keeps upping the cost during the pandemic, now at $75/m for decent bandwidth.
We have either DSL or Comcast. 300/10mbps costs $100. Total rip-off but that’s the price of our county signing a 10 year exclusive deal with them. Now it’s expired but nobody is going to bring business in.
Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
#93> The funding is going to a mix of cable, fiber, and fixed wireless providers, plus SpaceX's Starlink satellite network. I think cable providers should be left out. They were already gifted many billions of dollars in the past for this same basic purpose but they pocketed the money. They can just use the free money they've already been given. Instead, the funding should go to existing munipical fiber ISPs to expand t…
>They were already gifted many billions of dollars in the past for this same basic purpose but they pocketed the money. They can just use the free money they've already been given. I mean they could but they wont, and there was no reason to with Ajit Pai running the place. I daresay they'll have to be sued into compliance to do it now. Not that I object to that: they need to refund the taxpayers' money or do what the…
>they need to refund the taxpayers' money or do what they promised with it.
plus interest.
Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
#94Somewhat related, if you would like to query any location in the U.S. and see internet speeds, the government has a site for it. [1] I am using that to decide where to move. Use the pull down menu to change from coordinates to address. You can put in a street address.
Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
#95> The funding is going to a mix of cable, fiber, and fixed wireless providers, plus SpaceX's Starlink satellite network. I think cable providers should be left out. They were already gifted many billions of dollars in the past for this same basic purpose but they pocketed the money. They can just use the free money they've already been given. Instead, the funding should go to existing munipical fiber ISPs to expand t…
How much does it cost? Here Spectrum keeps upping the cost during the pandemic, now at $75/m for decent bandwidth.
In my area there was good competition with the new fiber infrastructure, so Spectrum offered $30/mo for two years with 400/25
Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
#96Lets try and suss out some of the multiple issues with US internet: -regulating ISPs as a free market is, to be hyperbolic, a disaster. there is effectively a monopoly in most parts of the country. -25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] -FTA: "Those data points…
> 25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] Please expand upon your point. Why exactly is 25/3 reasonable for most people? I'm not necessarily disagreeing; indeed, this would be a god-level speed compared to what's currently standard for most of Latin America. Howe…
> your point about Netflix is irrelevant because not every use case can be buffered
nothing special about netflix, just a service that most people use. even their highest quality offering is streamable if we actually got advertised speeds. just trying to say that 25 isnt a meaningful cap for most people.
> require better up speed than 3Mbps with bad ping and high jitter
rejectfinite makes this point downthread and i agree with both of you. i think theres a lot more bang for your buck to be had by reducing quality problems and widening the upload pipe.
100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default.
Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
#97Somewhat related, if you would like to query any location in the U.S. and see internet speeds, the government has a site for it. [1] I am using that to decide where to move. Use the pull down menu to change from coordinates to address. You can put in a street address. [1] - https://broadbandmap.fcc.gov/#/
At least in my case that map is overly optimistic.
It reports two additional providers that won't actually make the installation. I've tried.
Charter only.
Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
#98Imagine how good our network technology policy would be if the Senate weren't run by septagenarians and octogenarian. I fear that data caps for home internet will become standard. There is no technological reason for these caps. For wireless, they could be defended by arguing that companies only get to use so much spectrum because of FCC laws. But the only limit for home internet is the ISP's willingness to deploy eq…
To be fair, it is not the senators themselves who come up with policy proposals. Their staff do most of the leg work, and the staff I have personally met were all pretty young and seemed pretty comfortable with technology (in fairness, I was meeting them specifically to talk about a technology-related bill and they were probably chosen for their expertise).
As for data caps, those are basically unnecessary in a 5g world and were never necessary for wireline service. The necessary of caps prior to 5g is debatable. Data caps were always just an excuse for ISPs to charge more.
Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
#99Lets try and suss out some of the multiple issues with US internet: -regulating ISPs as a free market is, to be hyperbolic, a disaster. there is effectively a monopoly in most parts of the country. -25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] -FTA: "Those data points…
25mbps down is "ok" for most tasks, but 3mbps up isn't sufficient for WFH. For interactive collaboration you want lowest latency possible and enough upload bandwidth to deliver crisp 720p footage, for eg. presentations, whiteboarding, webcam.
I have 50/20 in Australia on VDSL2, and it is just barely good enough for this. You're right about it not being consistent/maintained though. Some days I could collab remotely no worries, other days it was simply impossible.
Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say
#100Lets try and suss out some of the multiple issues with US internet: -regulating ISPs as a free market is, to be hyperbolic, a disaster. there is effectively a monopoly in most parts of the country. -25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] -FTA: "Those data points…
> -regulating ISPs as a free market is, to be hyperbolic, a disaster. there is effectively a monopoly in most parts of the country. starlink is changing that, as these articles and letters are being written.
Elon himself has stated that Starlink is not intended to and should not be seen as a competitor to traditional terrestrial ISPs. It’s meant to supplement people in rural and possibly exurban areas, but it will not be breaking the monopolies that ATT, Comcast, etc hold over urban areas.
> So will Starlink be a good option for anyone in the United States? Not necessarily. Musk said there will be plenty of bandwidth in areas with low population densities and that there will be some customers in big cities. But he cautioned against expecting that everyone in a big city would be able to use Starlink.
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> "I want to be clear, it's not like Starlink is some huge threat to telcos. I want to be super clear it is not," Musk said. "In fact, it will be helpful to telcos because Starlink will serve the hardest-to-serve customers that telcos otherwise have trouble doing with landlines or even with... cell towers."
> Starlink will likely serve the "3 or 4 percent hardest-to-reach customers for telcos" and "people who simply have no connectivity right now, or the connectivity is really bad," Musk said. "So I think it will be actually helpful and take a significant load off the traditional telcos."
From https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/musk-...