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TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by justicezyx »

nomay wrote: post #22
rjzzleep wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Chinese "self-media" being gossip blogs needing salt different from all the jobs, elon musk, paul graham and other kind of hero worship this place is normally overflowing with? Don't get me wrong, I'm generally against Hero worship in general, and I have my fair share of beefs with ALL these different hero worship things, but I grew up on Bill Gates hero worship only to later find out that he sold the whole th…

Coz Chinese people have been conditioned by a level censorship and media control unseen elsewhere, the resulting susceptibility to yummy and palatble disinformation is quite deep and prevalent, you may have read news about strong reaction about strange things from the west, you guessed it right there's alway legions of "self-media" behind it, it’s unfettered and state sanctioned algorithm-driven circlejerk machine, a…

This is a classic example of the self-imposed limitations.

Chinese are viewing Americans as lunatic as the opposite direction, and with the equal amount of sincerity and disdain. The same applies to almost any nations and people's group.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by pierrebai »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #28
baybal2 wrote: post #26

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> The Budapest memorandum does not make any promises to help. It does, go read the text

I have. So where does it?

I think it refers to this:

    Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
Obviously, Russia did not use nuclear weapon... but maybe the fact that Russia has nuclear weapon and invaded Crimea means Ukraine is under threat of nuclear weapons...

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by MangoCoffee »

velikhan wrote: post #21
chx wrote: post #12

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Nonetheless , I was unaware of TSMC and ASML making a lithography breakthrough before EUV and so that at least is valuable information.

That part of the story checks out too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_lithography https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn-Jeng_Lin Myself, am amused how the translators did not consult English sources and also how the writers of the wikipedia article probably didn’t know about the analogy to immersion microscope objectives. This industry is curiously insular.

a lot people on hacker news believed if you throw enough money into something like China is doing with semi industry that somehow you can get your fab into a leading fab.

you can't just build something with off the shelves equipment. if that's the case then China big fund in 2014 (before trade war, China already pouring money into semi industry) already bearing fruits but SMIC have to poach TSMC engineers to get them into 14nm.

leading foundry like TSMC pour in a lot of money into R&D with their partners. TSMC's ecosystem along is unrivaled. there is also the trust issue. TSMC's main and only business is making chip for their customers unlike Samsung which is a Conglomerate.

what the author said about Apple is true(move away from Samsung's supply chain). that's why Apple is now a core customer of TSMC.

edit: i recall a interview with Morris Chang by a Chinese reporter. she bring up the question about the Chinese big fund. she say if Chinese govrt throw its weight behind the semi industry. it will over take TSMC. Chang said you can't buy "experiences" it will take time for Chinese fab to learn all the mistakes and gain the know-hows. there's a lot going into the production than simply buying semi equipment and somehow magically you can get to the yield level that'll be profitable. Intel's 10nm yield problem is the example of that. sorry, English is not my first language.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by sbierwagen »

bee_rider wrote: post #76
rasz wrote: post #61

Taiwan population is around 24 million. It might be cheaper for US to offer to relocate whole country to the continental North America. Give everyone citizenship and free land, move TSMC to Texas. Make Taiwan island a huge military base.

Taiwan apparently stays between ~50F and ~100F, and the people are used to living near the coast. Putting them in Texas would be cruel. Although California has housing issues, transplanted Taiwan can be put on fresh soil -- no NIMBYs, and the housing development policy for Taiwan, CA can be written from the ground up to avoid previous mistakes.

Would you rather live in Texas, or under PRC occupation?

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by sbierwagen »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #42
alliao wrote: post #24

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the context behind such article I think should be provided.. China regards Taiwan as part of China, whether right now or eventually depends on how much CCP koolaid they've consumed. The whole Huawei chip ban from the US really shook Chinese to the core, and suddenly TSMC became strategic asset. And this is one of those articles wanting to sensationalise the history a bit. Largest grains of salt for me. Chinese have i…

> China regards Taiwan as part of China, whether right now or eventually depends on how much CCP koolaid they've consumed. The problem with using "China" here is that it is always misleading if people have no prior knowledge of the situation. Specifically "China" here means "People's Republic of China" because they consider that the "Republic of China" ceased to exist in 1949 and Taiwan, as a province of the Republic…

No native English speaker thinks of Taiwan when someone says "China".

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by eloff »

rjzzleep wrote: post #13
nomay wrote: post #11

I'm surprised to see a typical Chinese "self-media" article being shared here, coz I myself see these as nothing more than gossip blogs, so please take them with huge amount of salt or just avoid it. At least in my experience these are highly refined entertainment product with little to no regard to what's fact, opinion and pure made-up bullshit, their only goal is to maximize click numbers, thus more often than not…

How is Chinese "self-media" being gossip blogs needing salt different from all the jobs, elon musk, paul graham and other kind of hero worship this place is normally overflowing with? Don't get me wrong, I'm generally against Hero worship in general, and I have my fair share of beefs with ALL these different hero worship things, but I grew up on Bill Gates hero worship only to later find out that he sold the whole th…

There no question that Bill Gates had a lot of luck. But if you had his luck could you have been as successful? I doubt it. Because here is also a skill, perseverance, and effort component that most people who spend time on HN probably lack, myself included.

I don't think "hero worship" is great, but I have tremendous respect for Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos, Steve Jobs, etc who are better men than me in so many ways. I look up to them and wish to emulate their better features.

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Post by bllguo »

rasz wrote: post #61

Taiwan population is around 24 million. It might be cheaper for US to offer to relocate whole country to the continental North America. Give everyone citizenship and free land, move TSMC to Texas. Make Taiwan island a huge military base.

the arrogance here is beyond shocking. go gauge an average Taiwanese citizen's interest in your offer, you might be in for a nasty surprise.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by brobinson »

throwaway4good wrote: post #36
alliao wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the context behind such article I think should be provided.. China regards Taiwan as part of China, whether right now or eventually depends on how much CCP koolaid they've consumed. The whole Huawei chip ban from the US really shook Chinese to the core, and suddenly TSMC became strategic asset. And this is one of those articles wanting to sensationalise the history a bit. Largest grains of salt for me. Chinese have i…

Lots of Taiwanese see themselves as Chinese; not under the same government. But of the same people.

The data: https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7800&id=6961

So about 29.9% say Taiwanese + Chinese and 2.6% say exclusively Chinese.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by chenhungh »

bee_rider wrote: post #78
chenhungh wrote: post #77

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No, thank you. But no. No way.

Texas is a ridiculous idea, but how about Connecticut? Near the coast, comfortable 8-24C temperature range, not too far from the US education and business hubs.

I think we have good education system to back the semi industry. Most of the semi engineers are trained locally.

Re: TSMC at the head of history’s tide: two high walls and one sharp knife

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Post by tehjoker »

pierrebai wrote: post #89
tehjoker wrote: post #85

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I'll agree with that. I'll reup with this criticism by Noam Chomsky though. " "You don’t have any other society where the educated classes are so effectively indoctrinated and controlled by a subtle propaganda system – a private system including media, intellectual opinion forming magazines and the participation of the most highly educated sections of the population. Such people ought to be referred to as “Commissars…

This is the kind of Chomskyism that leads to nowhere. You can take the criticism to the letter, so that "no other society" is true because the total of the exact characterization matches only one society, and is thus a tautology. Or you read it more generally, and then the claim that no other society is as indoctrinated is absurd.

All societies are indoctrinated, but US society seems to think it isn't: that's the insight. Also, if you peruse the second link, he says things that are more concrete. I used a more general quote because it is difficult to give a strong argument in a limited space.
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