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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by likesfwlaptop »

nrp wrote: post #67
sho_hn wrote: post #60

I don't see any information on the licensing of the adapter card / inter-module interfaces. Can others build a Framework laptop without approval? Can others build cards without approval? Will it be a platform? Tell me how this isn't a Nespresso machine for silicon pods. :-) Edit: To be clear, even a "we have a generic base laptop and you can pick your I/O" concept is potentially a nice value prop, but it'd be good if…

We will be releasing specifications and reference designs for the Expansion Card system under a permissive license. We want to make it easy for both other companies and members of the community to develop their own cards and sell them through the Framework Marketplace. That is something we'll be detailing and sharing between now and the time we start shipping out the product. We'll also provide documentation around i…

Hello, glad you're here but I'd urge you to remember that while a minority at HN is highly knowledgeable and technical, hn is an hive-mind opinionated niche and hope that you'd make decisions that widen your reach among general populace so that your firm survives to make money and eventually more such laptops. (Also, hopefully your laptop will play with linux as well as Lenovo's at some point in future).

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by tommybu »

I love the initiative! It's in line with the right to repair movement which, considering the HN crowd, is more than welcome these days.

I wonder though are there any plans to support coreboot?

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by lovelyviking »

nrp wrote: post #27
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about shipping and deliveries to regions other than US, like EU for example? How will your volumes look during this silicon shortage?

We're shipping in the US and Canada this summer and opening up additional countries in Europe and Asia before the end of the year. In the future, we will launch modules and products worldwide closer to the same date, but we're pacing ourselves on inventory on the first launch. We placed our forecasts and risk buys on most chips early in anticipation of the silicon crunch that is coming this year. So far, we don't see…

Finally! This is amazing what you do! I like the philosophy and share values! This is the machine I wish to have and this is the machine I was dreaming to help making. Is there any way one can help/contribute/join? I have knowledge in sw-dev/ hw / design and speak 4 languages. May be there is a way to help distribute them at least?

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by dmos62 »

nrp wrote: post #67
sho_hn wrote: post #60

I don't see any information on the licensing of the adapter card / inter-module interfaces. Can others build a Framework laptop without approval? Can others build cards without approval? Will it be a platform? Tell me how this isn't a Nespresso machine for silicon pods. :-) Edit: To be clear, even a "we have a generic base laptop and you can pick your I/O" concept is potentially a nice value prop, but it'd be good if…

We will be releasing specifications and reference designs for the Expansion Card system under a permissive license. We want to make it easy for both other companies and members of the community to develop their own cards and sell them through the Framework Marketplace. That is something we'll be detailing and sharing between now and the time we start shipping out the product. We'll also provide documentation around i…

Compatibility and upgradability (together with maintainability) is why I stopped using laptops. Your offer sounds interesting, but if it's a platform, instead of a free standard, it's a far cry from the freedom and competition in the stationary PC market. Maybe that's what it takes to move the issue along. I don't know. But that's my knee-jerk reaction.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by numair »

The website says that it’s by members of the founding team from Oculus. You know what else is from the founders of Oculus? A company making AI-directed killer drones and other toys being pitched as essentials for World War III.

In 2021, the ethics of your products are as important as the products themselves. And yes, there’s a ton of hypocrisy if we compare to $BIG_CO, but that’s one of the tough parts of being young and new in an era where the young new guys have gone from 0 to 100 and gotten old and evil real quick.

Sorry to be so harsh, but Oculus connection that wins you VC dollars will get in the way of a lot of other things in unexpected ways if you want to tap consumer / prosumer. If you go after the defense market, however, you’re golden! Not kidding. Call me crazy, though, but I’d rather have my dollars end up as far from war lobbying as possible.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by ndiddy »

nrp wrote: post #35
ceocoder wrote: post #15

I’ve added my name to preorder list, happy to pay premium for a laptop with high build quality and hardware. Please don’t screw up the keyboard. Please. And a fingerprint reader would be welcome addition if possible.

Keyboard feel was high on our list of priorities. We engaged one of the bigger keyboard suppliers and worked with them on a custom one with 1.5mm key travel. We've built a fingerprint reader into the power button using a just-released sensor that has been performing really well in our testing so far. We're seeing False Reject Rates lower than the typical fingerprint readers built into laptops while keeping the right…

How is the trackpad? Does it support Windows Precision? What material is it made out of? How does it compare to an Apple trackpad?

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by baybal2 »

kinghtown wrote: post #11

I dig the concept, just hope the utilization pans out. I’m holding out for an arm based Linux laptop which can handle Blender without too much fan noise... I would love to get a system76 laptop but I have doubts about the build quality. But they say that they are on tract to manufacture their own laptops this year. How does a framework laptop compare to System76? (Let alone a Lenovo or Asus.) Any chance you guys coul…

I have few tricks in my sleeve, but my laptop project stalled with quarantine, and appearance of other things to spend money on.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by gonehome »

Neat - I wonder how it’ll turn out.

It’s weird how little there is in the laptop space that’s actually good.

Macs, Thinkpads, maybe Dell XPS?

Everything else sucks. It’d be cool to have another high quality option.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by de_nied »

How much overhead will there be from having USB-C connected "Expansion Cards"?

Will there documentation or support for enabling people to create their own expansion cards (for ex. like S/PDIF)?

Will there be any support for high-end processors, perhaps in the absence of a dGPU? Dell Latitudes 14" laptops have an Intel i7-10850H which has 6-cores/12-threads, 2.70 GHz base, 5.10 GHz boost clocks. In addition, will cooling be customizable? The Latitudes run pretty hot.

Finally, is there a ball-park on the price range we can expect on pre-orders and say 1 year from release? $1,000? $2,000? Will it also be a high upfront-cost, but low replacement parts cost? Will they both be relatively high? Both low?

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