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Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate

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Re: Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate

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Good point re landfill - haven't seen anyone else raise that

So people are going to build entire data centers to look for combination of bytes that yield a hash that is funny looking. And when it doesn't become profitable to do so anymore, the e-waste issue it generates is somehow the fault on the chip maker ?

Yes. When a chip maker takes a multipurpose product that can be reused when no longer fit for one purpose, and instead makes it single purpose and not reusable for market segmentation reasons, they are absolutely somehow at fault.

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I have no sympathy for miners, but purely from software freedom perspective this is maximally evil: closed-source software that decides what you can use your hardware for. The CMP version is a straight-to-landfill product. As soon as it stops being profitable for mining it will have zero resale value, and become e-waste.

Gamers will generally try to avoid buying preowned graphics cards that have been used for mining. Running them 24/7 at full pelt tends to “age” they quicker than one that’s just been used for gaming.

Can electronics actually wear out?

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I'm probably going to be downvoted into oblivion but I'm genuinely curious: Does anybody else think that the "mining is bad for the environment and gamers can't buy the cards" argument is a bit weird? After all, if all these cards weren't used for mining but for gaming, wouldn't the environmental outcome be the same? I mean, is there any inherent upside to burning tons of energy for games vs burning it for a cryptocu…

There are plenty of good answers addressing the reality that gaming doesn't use anywhere near the same aggregate energy as mining, but to me, the more important difference is that currency of some kind is critical infrastructure. Civilization collapses without it. Right now, civilization won't collapse without cryptocurrency because we can just continue using government-issued currency, but in the crypto endgame where it is actually supposed to replace government-issued legal tender, we've suddenly become reliant on a tremendously inefficient power grid hog. Imagine something like what just happened in Texas happens on a larger scale. Well, now not only do you not have lights at night, but you can't spend money either.

The basic fabric of society is much less reliant on the ability of citizens to play digital games, so losing that ability wouldn't matter much.

Running with the Nascar/Formula One analogy, those things aren't such a huge deal because they're niche applications of vehicle technology. It would be far more disastrous for society at large, on the other hand, if we decided to make all commuter vehicles get 2 MPG and require high octane fuel and new tires every two hours.

Similarly, cryptocurrency is (relatively) harmless right now because it is a niche speculative commodity. It would be a global disaster if it ever became widely used as actual currency. Cryptocurrencies are like castles, gaudy but interesting spectacles when only a few lords build them, but the world would quickly run out of rocks if we made them the universal unit of housing.

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I am convinced Nvidia is deeply involved in the crypto space more so than they care to admit. I can’t wait until Apple matches or surpasses Nvidia so we don’t have to listen to Jensen’s lies quarter after quarter about how insignificant crypto mining is to their business.

Isn’t it just so mysterious how they have all these supply problems? I wonder why they can’t seem to manufacture products!

In all reality, what they are doing is totally normal, I just wish they wouldn’t lie about it.

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Does that mean they're bringing down the xx60 card price too?

Rabid gamers who MUST have that 1440Hz refresh may be willing to pay anything for their space heaters, but there are people who play games but aren't willing to spend 1K (or 3K, how far have they gone these days?) on a video card.

In other words, is this done to increase sales volume or just nvidia's profit?

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I have no sympathy for miners, but purely from software freedom perspective this is maximally evil: closed-source software that decides what you can use your hardware for. The CMP version is a straight-to-landfill product. As soon as it stops being profitable for mining it will have zero resale value, and become e-waste.

Gamers will generally try to avoid buying preowned graphics cards that have been used for mining. Running them 24/7 at full pelt tends to “age” they quicker than one that’s just been used for gaming.

That is not quite true. Miners that know what they're doing will undervolt their cards in order to improve power efficiency, which makes cards run cooler and at lower power.

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Gamers will generally try to avoid buying preowned graphics cards that have been used for mining. Running them 24/7 at full pelt tends to “age” they quicker than one that’s just been used for gaming.

Can electronics actually wear out?

Absolutely, it's materials science. Most electronics like this aren't meant to be run full-tilt 24/7, especially not under the conditions that crypto mining typically occurs. Subpar cooling, potentially dirty air - so lots of dust and particulate.

Not to mention crypto miners will often have the GPUs overclocked on top of running full tilt to get every last hash out of it. It's about as brutal of a situation as you can get for a GPU.

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Gamers will generally try to avoid buying preowned graphics cards that have been used for mining. Running them 24/7 at full pelt tends to “age” they quicker than one that’s just been used for gaming.

Can electronics actually wear out?

Yes

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Gamers will generally try to avoid buying preowned graphics cards that have been used for mining. Running them 24/7 at full pelt tends to “age” they quicker than one that’s just been used for gaming.

Can electronics actually wear out?

Dunno about the silicon, but the cooling system will be absolutely hosed after a year or two of running at top speed 24/7.
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