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Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by enjoyyourlife »

_0o6v wrote: post #75
kesor wrote: post #66

It is worth adding that the Israeli government is very aggressively pushing vaccination. So aggressively that there is a notable movement of people who oppose to get vaccinated because of the blatant violations to basic human rights in a democratic country. At the very beginning of vaccination in Israel the demand was very high, since all those waiting for the vaccine rushed and went to get it asap. Now that most of…

I can't find a single bit of evidence to support your post, so I'll go out on a limb and say stop spreading fake news.

This article (https://apnews.com/article/israel-misinformation-coronavirus...) provides some evidence for what is said in that comment

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

peteretep wrote: post #47
kjakm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK has (first-dose) vaccinated close to a quarter of the population now. Given the vast population difference between it and Israel it seems to be doing pretty well too.

That’s the deep state at work! [0] 0: by which of course I mean strong institutions like the NHS, apolitical and well-organised army, regional councils, and the civil service

If EU countries had the same supply as the UK, they would also have vaccinated roughly the same percentage of people.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by ummonk »

pa7x1 wrote: post #83
scrollaway wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to be convinced that paying the vaccine suppliers more is zero sum. More money potentially means more production / faster scaling up.

Vaccine production started way before the Phase 3 results were out. You cannot know ahead of time for which vaccines you should make a strong bet. Now we can prop-up production of the successful vaccines and they are doing so. Anyway, getting the first vaccines is always going to be zero-sum for the same reason getting first-row in a concert is zero sum.

"You cannot know ahead of time for which vaccines you should make a strong bet."

Actually you can. When dealing with a pandemic causing the level of disruption we've seen, you throw money at propping up production of every serious vaccine candidate, hoping that at least one of them works out.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by corty »

bb123 wrote: post #79
corty wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they are currently just requiring export licenses "to get an overview". Up to now, all export requests have been granted and there are large parts of the world where no license is required: https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/weltwirtschaft/eu-impfs... Overall I would call it useless EU blustering, there won't be an export ban, no matter what happens. It is just the minimum required measure to save face.

Also lets not forget that this was specifically targeting the UK, not the rest of the world.

That is not quite true, it doesn't only target the UK. The export requirements apply to basically everyone except third-world countries through Covax and Switzerland/Norway/Ukraine/Israel due to existing treaties.

But it is true that the AstraZeneca/UK-situation was the trigger event that lead to the public noticing that something was amiss.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by eladFrizi »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #80
eladFrizi wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel has competition between several private healthcare providers. That fact makes them agile and efficient than most places in the world (e.g. Britain's NHS ). The army has nothing to do with the vaccine rollout.

That's quite irrelevant to the point. And in fact the UK are also doing very well with vaccine rollout (and the army is involved). In Israel, where everyone has received a military training and is ready to organise, the IDF is of course very involved in the vaccine rollout though the Home Front Command. The supply of the vaccine is also controlled by the government, not private healthcare providers. But my point was…

IDF isn't involved in the vaccine rollout. And if your point was right, the lockdowns in Israel would have been much more effective and on time. The reality is the the first lockdown was removed too early, and the other lockdowns started too late with lame enforcement. Everyone who watches news in Israel can tell you that.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by yulaow »

EdwinLarkin wrote: post #90

With the number of lockdowns in Europe it feels like a spit to the face for all of the businesses and tax payers in Europe. Even throwing more money at the problem sounds better than not doing anything but I wish the EU would have forced Pfizer/Biontech and other pharma companies to just produce the vaccine en masse. This is a war time and only those that cant fight back are forced to suck it up.

Isn't Pfizer already working at full capacity and just upgraded one of its factories to double the output? At this point even states willing to pay more have their shipments delivery dates not before mid 2022

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by lnsru »

est31 wrote: post #86
lnsru wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will not happen in Europe soon. The vaccine will be sold by manufacturers to highest bidder, that’s no surprise. And with the European ordering disaster as an adult I’ll get vaccinated best case in 2022.

Even if the EU had made different deals, doubling the price won't make production capacity appear out of nowhere. The UK and Israel can get vaccines in such large quantities because they are comparatively small countries. The EU might outbid those countries, but the gain of displacing them, while costing a lot, will distribute among the huge european population and thus will only shorten the wait period for individua…

There was time. I work in manufacturing, we plan factories years in advance of manufacturing start. Abandoned biotech factory cost is a drop in the ocean compared to weekly lockdown cost. Why countries failed here? If I would do such crap professionally, shelves of electronics stores would be empty.

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by jsharf »

jansan wrote: post #10

The Google COVID-19 statistics for Israel show that cases and deaths are declining, but not at a faster rate than elsewhere in the world. Reported deaths lag behind sometimes for weeks and new deaths were caused by infections weeks ago, so vaccination may not have much effect on deaths, yet. But the number of positive tests should have gone down considerably with 50% of the population vaccinated. Are all these aympto…

Israel has many different population groups.

The Haredi population is acting like covid doesn’t exist and has insanely high numbers of cases.

I suspect that despite the vaccine working well on your everyday science-trusting Israeli, the Haredi population is throwing off the average significantly.

Source: I have family there.

Recently the police tried to enforce the lockdown Bnei Brak (a city with a lot of Haredis). The Haredi rioted against this, yelled “Nazis” at the police, and burned down a bus.

https://youtu.be/hG8ly4_zOt0

Re: Israeli study finds 94% drop in symptomatic Covid-19 cases with Pfizer vaccine

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Post by lucd »

jansan wrote: post #10

The Google COVID-19 statistics for Israel show that cases and deaths are declining, but not at a faster rate than elsewhere in the world. Reported deaths lag behind sometimes for weeks and new deaths were caused by infections weeks ago, so vaccination may not have much effect on deaths, yet. But the number of positive tests should have gone down considerably with 50% of the population vaccinated. Are all these aympto…

The 94% effectiveness isonly reached one week after the second shot. Only 27% got the two shots. Also Israël recently got the UK strain which is far more transmissible.
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