Why would "real" Satoshi first add the paper and now want to take it away?
Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
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Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The real Satoshi (assuming they're one individual as CSW is essentially implying) took care to maintain their anonymity, and is almost certainly aware that they would be the target of intelligence agencies around the world, in addition to your more run-of-the-mill "let's kidnap this guy and force him to transfer his enormous wealth to us" criminals. So releasing his identity publicly would be just painting a massiv…
It's not a hollywood interpretation at all, Satoshi created something that was an existential threat (at least long-term, in terms of the doors it opened) to fiat currencies / fractional reserve banking more broadly. It's not farfetched to see that certain government organizations would want to disrupt that, or at a minimum gain control over the founder to be able to direct things how they please. Regardless, intelli…
> It's not a hollywood interpretation at all, Satoshi created something that was an existential threat (at least long-term, in terms of the doors it opened) to fiat currencies / fractional reserve banking more broadly.
At its most charitable, the underlying economic theory you're supposing is out of mainstream. To the extent that it's a Gold Standard version 2.0, though, it should be pointed out that the kind of mainstream economists who actually run economic policy would usually view it as a specifically discredited theory: 100% of all gold-standard currencies have failed and been replaced with non-gold-standard.
In any case, though, the notion that someone with an alternative economic theory is so threatening to your profession that you need to send Deep State Operatives™ to shut everything down is Hollywood fantasy at best and Qanon idiocy at worst.
Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
#93As for why the Bitcoin Core developers were so quick to do this, the whitepaper has been a thorn in their side for years as it runs counter to the argument of Bitcoin being "digital gold" and should just be a settlement layer. So they saw this as an excuse to remove it.
They removed the whitepaper about as fast as they removed Gavin Andresen's commit access once they found justification. There are a lot of bad things you can call the BTC core devs but they sure as hell seize every opportunity to grab power.
> There are a lot of bad things you can call the BTC core devs but they sure as hell seize every opportunity to grab power.
This is a non-idiomatic usage of this expression, unless you're saying that power grabbing is good?
Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Craig produced a proof on a computer he himself provided. Wouldn't have been hard to alter it to say whatever he wanted to.
Indeed. I think Craig is a fraud. I'm just dumbfounded why Gavin --a person I admire from intial days and who is probably person n.2 after satoshi in terms of bitcoin actual initial lines of code written -- was so easily fooled.
Maybe because he didn't expect anybody to do a lot of work to convince him of a basically worthless fact.
How long have you spent verifying your own computing platform? However it is, it is never impossible that somebody can corrupt it and fool you about something.
Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
#95Isn't this guy literally billions in the hole to the estate of someone he claims was his partner in creating BTC, and who is co-owner of the Satoshi hoard of coins which haven't moved (ever)? Did that court case ever finish or is he still using every trick in the book to draw it out? (Kleiman v. Wright, that's what I'm thinking of) (Looks like it got kicked back to June this year due to covid)
Yes, he failed to produce any keys, the courier with the keys never materialized, the judge has not thrown Craig Wright in jail for contempt of court nor has be been charged with perjury. The judge seems to be mildly entertained by this and views Craig Wright as mentally ill, but won't have him committed. It is all sad and strange. There are a lot of guardrails against using the system this way, but they aren't being…
As near as I can tell they're letting Craig Wright cosplay being Satoshi because it's another useful way of inhibiting Bitcoin's adoption and annoying the real Satoshi, wherever he is out there.
Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
They removed the whitepaper about as fast as they removed Gavin Andresen's commit access once they found justification. There are a lot of bad things you can call the BTC core devs but they sure as hell seize every opportunity to grab power.
BitCoin’s short history seems to have quite a lot of drama. Every once in a while I pop in to get an idea of what’s happening in the world of BitCoin but it’s not something I really pay much attention to so I’ve definitely missed out on quite a lot of “big” news stories. If anyone knows of good books or podcasts about the history of BitCoin and the various characters/motivations involved I would be most interested in…
You'll get a history from the Bitcoin Cash perspective here: https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/js6jft/frequently_aske...
Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
#97Craig Wright has done enough to hurt Bitcoin over the years that I effectively think of him as a canary: the fact that he is still walking around is evidence that there are no darkweb assassination markets that are not just scams or honeypots.
Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You think a guy smart enough to give birth to Bitcoin, and maintain complete anonymity while doing so and while communicating in public forums etc, would forget his private key? > You just need to remember one seed and suddenly you have billions of dollars of value stored in your brain. I don't think that's a realistic possibility. BIP39 mnemonics ("seeds") were not around in the early days. Bitcoin core software g…
So how could you use these private keys now? Considering they're not seeds. EDIT: downvoted for asking a question
I can still import a wallet from at least 2012 and move the coins using the official client just like it was created yesterday.
edit: and obviously you can't remember that but if you encrypt your wallet you can save it to long term storages like Dropbox / differrent servers / medias / etc, what Satoshi would most likely be doing
Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed. I think Craig is a fraud. I'm just dumbfounded why Gavin --a person I admire from intial days and who is probably person n.2 after satoshi in terms of bitcoin actual initial lines of code written -- was so easily fooled.
Maybe because he didn't expect anybody to do a lot of work to convince him of a basically worthless fact. How long have you spent verifying your own computing platform? However it is, it is never impossible that somebody can corrupt it and fool you about something.
> he didn't expect anybody to do a lot of work to convince him of a basically worthless fact.
Being Satoshi seems like the exact opposite of a basically worthless fact.
Gavin was just being gullible. Being a good early developer on an important project isn't mutually exclusive with being gullible to social engineering.
Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW
#100Isn't this guy literally billions in the hole to the estate of someone he claims was his partner in creating BTC, and who is co-owner of the Satoshi hoard of coins which haven't moved (ever)? Did that court case ever finish or is he still using every trick in the book to draw it out? (Kleiman v. Wright, that's what I'm thinking of) (Looks like it got kicked back to June this year due to covid)
Yes, he failed to produce any keys, the courier with the keys never materialized, the judge has not thrown Craig Wright in jail for contempt of court nor has be been charged with perjury. The judge seems to be mildly entertained by this and views Craig Wright as mentally ill, but won't have him committed. It is all sad and strange. There are a lot of guardrails against using the system this way, but they aren't being…
It would be an entirely different judge in a different case that would have to have him committed, not a judge in a lawsuit in which he's a party, no?