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Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#91

Post by stunt »

mjevans wrote: post #29

Democracy works best when critical thinking skills and public disclosure of information co-operate. Better understanding why people believe in the conspiracy theories and fixing the social ills that radicalize portions of the population will be critical factors during my entire adult lifetime. For the US, and for the world at large. We need to learn how to prevent terrorists from being created and in so doing advance…

"When the rights of the people denied, the people rightly resist. If the concerns are not acknowledged then peace and security are inevitably threatened." - The U.S. ambassador to the U.N.

All we did so far is just ignoring the problem really. Fire is still smoldering under the ashes, and I hope we don't ignore this for the next 4 years.

Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#92

Post by stunt »

stunt wrote: post #91
mjevans wrote: post #29

Democracy works best when critical thinking skills and public disclosure of information co-operate. Better understanding why people believe in the conspiracy theories and fixing the social ills that radicalize portions of the population will be critical factors during my entire adult lifetime. For the US, and for the world at large. We need to learn how to prevent terrorists from being created and in so doing advance…

"When the rights of the people denied, the people rightly resist. If the concerns are not acknowledged then peace and security are inevitably threatened." - The U.S. ambassador to the U.N. All we did so far is just ignoring the problem really. Fire is still smoldering under the ashes, and I hope we don't ignore this for the next 4 years.

The only way out of this mess is really first to give proper and clear answer to those that are concerned instead of blocking them. And meanwhile, also hold those resourceful politicians that are making this mess with their populist tactics accountable for their false claims and their actions in the court.

Maybe we should start running government like a company. You can't survive as a bad manager for a long time. But, bad politicians can stay in politics for their entire life while their mistakes costs much more than a manager.

Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#93

Post by vkou »

dc2k08 wrote: post #86
vkou wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been thousands of BLM protests, with millions of people participating them across the entire year. The overwhelming majority of them have been peaceful. The overwhelming majority of the violence inflicted during them has been done by... Police forces. Most of it was done against people legally protesting, not against looters, trespassers or vandals. Meanwhile, one 'stop the steal' capitol insurrection resu…

Twitter didn't ban a former prime minister of Malaysia for stating "Muslims have the right to be angry and kill millions of French people for the massacres of the past" in the wake of a school teacher being beheaded by a Muslim parent, angered that pupils were being taught freedom of speech includes freedom to offend.

Does Twitter enforce these policies most of the time? Were those tweets direct calls for particular acts of violence against particular people? Because the problem messages on Parler were direct calls for the killing of particular US politicians. You know - the kind of stuff that can get the FBI knocking on your door.

Given the other comment earlier in this subthread, I am not sure if you are legitimately professing a truly extreme form of cultural relativism, or are simply not arguing this in good faith.

But let's not guess. Let's look what actually happened to Mahathir Mohammad and Twitter. [1]

> Twitter took action against a message from the former Prime Minister of Malaysia, Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, on Thursday that declared, “Muslims have a right to be angry and to kill millions of French people for the massacres of the past.”

> The post violated Twitter's glorification of violence policy, which requires the violator to remove the tweet before they’re able to tweet from the account again.

Right. I'm going to go with 'probably not arguing this in good faith.'

[1] https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-takes-action-as-ex-mal...

Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#94

Post by neartheplain »

CathedralBorrow wrote: post #90
neartheplain wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Web apps still exist, and can be installed to the Android/iOS home screen. Sites like Gab which are banned from major app stores are designed to be used this way. When I use Twitter or Facebook, I do so exclusively via Chrome on mobile. I want to give adtech companies as few native hooks as possible into my smartphone.

They definitely exist, and can be installed to home screens. It is however a huge hurdle to user acquisition, which is the angle I was referring to. The obscurity of Gab kind of supports that point. All kinds of products and services can exist, but if you get booted of all the main channels you are doomed to be an obscure niche at best.

Maybe. That said, Gab just added 3 million users in 12 days:

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1351448855422799874

I created an account out of curiosity, and three of the default “Suggested Groups” were for QAnon conspiracy believers. One group has over 100k followers.

Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#95

Post by true_religion »

dc2k08 wrote: post #88
alphabettsy wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll pretend this is an argument in good faith and point out the explicit intent in the messages to commit crimes is the point. Organization of a protest that draws 100,000 where a small number commit crimes is much different than rallying 100,000 with the stated purpose of committing crimes.

Widespread vandalism and looting during BLM protests cost the insurance industry and estimated $2 BILLION. Hardly small potatoes. Seeing as organising the set up of autonomous states within American cities is allowed on twitter on facebook, the tiny number of Trump supporters who entered the capitol and could just say they wanted to set up an an autonomous state there.

I’m curious what you think the solution would be. Ban the hash tag BLM? Ban anyone who supports BLM protests?

It seems you want Twitter to do more and that’s fair, but the question is what more should they do?

BLM found wide spread support. HN had a George Floyd banner. Should HN be banned from its hosting account?

Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#96

Post by gnusty_gnurc »

dc2k08 wrote: post #76
vkou wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Twitter and YouTube are both full of conservative content. 2. The difference between Parler, Twitter, and Youtube is that the latter two moderate their content. 3. Parler was banned because it wouldn't moderate violent content. Your interpretation of events is incorrect. Even Parler, in their legal filings, are not claiming that they were silenced because they were a platform for conservative speech.

Twitter and facebook both enabled the spreading of a fake news conspiracy in 2020 that the death of drug-addled criminal during the course of a difficult arrest in which a multiethnic police crew applied the protocol that had been signed off on by a black police chief was the result of anti-black racism. Consequently sections of cities were burned, stores were looted, people were attacked and killed. These riots, we…

Just to expand on your point why haven’t we called for banning Rachel Maddow for pioneering conspiracy theory nonsense for 4 years and furthering the notion along with Hillary Clinton that 2016 was an illegitimate election?

Was Maddow an insurrectionist interfering with our sacred democracy by sowing distrust?

Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#97

Post by neartheplain »

AWildC182 wrote: post #69
PixyMisa wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many do you want? Because there have been dozens of murders, even entirely setting aside accidental and incidental deaths.

The official number for 2020 appears to be 25 (not including last week), however conservatives seem very interested in representing this as a list of "people BLM murdered" when it's really a list of all deaths due to political violence. It includes people who were killed by police, individuals murdered by far right individuals, and that one guy shot by a left wing extremist at a protest.

individuals murdered by far right individuals

During the summer’s BLM activities? Name one.

Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#98

Post by SauciestGNU »

neartheplain wrote: post #97
AWildC182 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The official number for 2020 appears to be 25 (not including last week), however conservatives seem very interested in representing this as a list of "people BLM murdered" when it's really a list of all deaths due to political violence. It includes people who were killed by police, individuals murdered by far right individuals, and that one guy shot by a left wing extremist at a protest.

individuals murdered by far right individuals During the summer’s BLM activities? Name one.

Two people were murdered by Kyle Rittenhouse, a boogaloo adherent murdered a courthouse guard in California. There's three.

Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#99

Post by fabbari »

neartheplain wrote: post #97
AWildC182 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The official number for 2020 appears to be 25 (not including last week), however conservatives seem very interested in representing this as a list of "people BLM murdered" when it's really a list of all deaths due to political violence. It includes people who were killed by police, individuals murdered by far right individuals, and that one guy shot by a left wing extremist at a protest.

individuals murdered by far right individuals During the summer’s BLM activities? Name one.

  I'll give you one: David Patrick Underwood, May 29th. But that's not the point. 

  The point is: even if you count all of the deaths related to all the events around BLM protests - 19 [1] - these were over 7 months of protests, across the country, against the violence that black people see every day impacting their lives perpetrated by the people tasked to enforce the law and ensure security. On the other side you have 5 deaths in a few hours during a protest - supported by the sitting President - against the results of free and fair elections that they just didn't happen to like.

  These are not the same - by any stretch of the imagination.
[0] https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/16/santa-cruz-deputys-al... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_dur...

Re: Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm

#100

Post by _y5hn »

stunt wrote: post #92
stunt wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"When the rights of the people denied, the people rightly resist. If the concerns are not acknowledged then peace and security are inevitably threatened." - The U.S. ambassador to the U.N. All we did so far is just ignoring the problem really. Fire is still smoldering under the ashes, and I hope we don't ignore this for the next 4 years.

The only way out of this mess is really first to give proper and clear answer to those that are concerned instead of blocking them. And meanwhile, also hold those resourceful politicians that are making this mess with their populist tactics accountable for their false claims and their actions in the court. Maybe we should start running government like a company. You can't survive as a bad manager for a long time. But…

Companies go bankrupt all the time, in fact, they tend to always do that. You're promoting survivorship bias.

Also, establishing policies are nothing like business, as incentives are orthogonal.

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