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Re: Google Images Restored

#91

Post by andai »

towndrunk wrote: post #85
userbinator wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minimalism, too much white space Those two tend to be related. It really angers me every time I see a huge amount of whitespace for no good reason, but then most of the functionality is hidden behind a dropdown menu whose equally stupid '...' indicator only shows up when you happen to hover over it. WTF. Back when UIs were still good, things would usually be hidden only if there wasn't enough space. You could see alm…

"indicator only shows up when you happen to hover over it. WTF." My wife and I had this conversation the other day. There are things in iOS you only get or see if you long press. How the hell are you to discover these things?

I keep hearing about these secret iOS features. Is there a manual or something I should have read?

Re: Google Images Restored

#92

Post by andai »

0xfffafaCrash wrote: post #77
rajacombinator wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the name for this abhorrent trend, and how did it originate and become ubiquitous?

It's a "flat design" vector art style inspired by the work of the Memphis Group that's called "Corporate Memphis" primarily by critics. While Hacker News is apparently too sophisticated to be condescended to with simplistic animations that look good at very different resolutions, I think a lot of people like it. If everyone hated this and considered it "corporate," it wouldn't be the one used by some of the animation…

I love Kurtzgesagt but don't like these graphics. I didn't realize they were supposed to be the same style!

Re: Google Images Restored

#93

Post by jtolmar »

neilpanchal wrote: post #51
gchokov wrote: post #5

Someone in Google’s UX and Design department, really needs go out and breathe some fresh air. Is it only me, who dislikes 95% of the design decision of Google products in the recent years?

There are so many things that bother me about contemporary UI in general, I ranted on here the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24965293 I sincerely feel that the discipline of building user interfaces is long lost and perhaps never to come back. From car dashboards to loud typography, the whole field is regressing. Minimalism, too much white space, infantilization of users, design trends, loss of pred…

I appreciate the structure of that diskprices website, a big list and a filter bar is one of those classic designs that has disappeared in the modern web. Nowadays it'd be an AI-sorted list that attempts to filter with a search bar, the list would fit four items per page because it insists on showing you pictures of hard drives, and it'd be paginated at some absurdly small number of results per page (or infinite scroll).

That said, I disagree with its FAQ claiming whitespace and color wouldn't help. It'd be a lot easier to actually read the data with a light alternating row color, slightly more vertical spacing, and not styling the links as a wall of underlined blue text.

Re: Google Images Restored

#94

Post by josefx »

0xfffafaCrash wrote: post #77
rajacombinator wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the name for this abhorrent trend, and how did it originate and become ubiquitous?

It's a "flat design" vector art style inspired by the work of the Memphis Group that's called "Corporate Memphis" primarily by critics. While Hacker News is apparently too sophisticated to be condescended to with simplistic animations that look good at very different resolutions, I think a lot of people like it. If everyone hated this and considered it "corporate," it wouldn't be the one used by some of the animation…

I wouldn't be surprised if the simplicity of the style made it interesting for constrained budgets and time tables.

Kurzgesagt mentions on its patreon that they used to spend on average 150 hours on each episode and are now at up to 500. While the style stayed mostly the same I think there is now also a lot more going on visually than in the early videos.

Re: Google Images Restored

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Post by chii »

towndrunk wrote: post #85
userbinator wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minimalism, too much white space Those two tend to be related. It really angers me every time I see a huge amount of whitespace for no good reason, but then most of the functionality is hidden behind a dropdown menu whose equally stupid '...' indicator only shows up when you happen to hover over it. WTF. Back when UIs were still good, things would usually be hidden only if there wasn't enough space. You could see alm…

"indicator only shows up when you happen to hover over it. WTF." My wife and I had this conversation the other day. There are things in iOS you only get or see if you long press. How the hell are you to discover these things?

It's a subtle psychological manipulation of the mind of the users of computers - stick to the simple use case, and don't do complicated things, don't try to be an advanced user, don't think for yourself and just consume what we tell you to.

I hate it.

Re: Google Images Restored

#96

Post by aaron695 »

lolc wrote: post #74
aaron695 wrote: post #50

PirateBay for images is back! Not complaining, I love using the PirateBay to steal. I also don't makeup reasons I do it. It's for theft, because getting something of value for free feels good.

You think that downloading an image is stealing?

> You think that downloading an image is stealing?

Do you really expect me to believe your are an archivist using a Google Image interface to get images to then wait the ~70 years of copyright to use them?

These, "Piratebay has Linux torrents", or "a hash isn't copyright" arguments don't hold up in a court and don't hold up with mates at the bar.

We are an abstract society, it's why we no longer live like animals. We are right now having to decide what things like Facebook and Twitter really are, beyond the technical they are internet companies.

This add-on is great, and should not be illegal in any free society, but forcing Google to change was a different story.

Re: Google Images Restored

#97

Post by michaelmrose »

gradys wrote: post #67
michaelmrose wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doctors used to believe that basic hygiene was unnecessary despite having enough information in theory to figure out this wasn't so. The presumption that someone in theory has access to lots of information and therefore is making the best or even good decisions on some dimensions by virtue of the their access to data is poorly considered. It is entirely possible to be smart and possessed of good data and still use it…

I guess the question here is who is more like those doctors in this scenario: you, or the people running the randomized controlled trials?

It's kind of contrary for you to prove that google's design is optimal according to the scientific method with the bald assertion that it is scientific with zero evidence by virtue of it being proprietary.

My feeling about its utility isn't a scientific statement its purely anecdotal but at least it represents a singular actual and honest viewpoint.

You are free if you liked to express the alternative perspective that the changes are for the better for users or for google and this would be an equally honest anecdote even if we disagree.

The only intellectually dishonest viewpoint is to assert without detail or analysis that its good along some dimension because it is AB tested.

Google image search is mediocre for the following reasons

- They removed the button to actually go TO the image in response to a lawsuit with Getty on the theory that somehow making people go through an extra step would stop people from using their built in browser tools to download images.

- When you go to the page where the image is supposed to be you may actually find yourself on a page only vaguely related to the exact image. Maybe it WAS found on the front page of some infinite scroll through crap but the desired image is nowhere to be found when you click through and get whatever new crap replaced it on the front page.

- Alternatively you get served a smaller sized version of the image.

- Not only are the filters not shown by default in google image search vs bing in mobile firefox google opted to disable that functionality meaning you had to load the slower desktop version of google for the tools to filter by date or other details to show up. This wasn't a bug it was a deliberate design decision to attack a competitor that they ultimately reversed later.

- Google image search seems to deliver subjectively worse image search results. I realize this is hard to quantify.

- On the broader google search issues you actually need an extension to be able to right click on a link and copy the url to share it because otherwise you get something like this

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

instead of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_is_a_test

It's pretty amazing to break sharing a damn link. The addon to fix this requires worrisome permissions to the data for google.com

Also the search "this is a test" without adblock doesn't show any of the textual results on the entire screen on a 24" 1080p monitor. Screen 1 and 2 are a video, exhortations to buy the song, people also search for videos and finally some actual results on screen 3.

Google is basically 90s Lycos with lots of extra money and reach. Everything google does other than ads and chrome ranges from acceptable to just canceled. They do lots of things OK but nothing excellent.

Re: Google Images Restored

#98

Post by unpixer »

kemonocode wrote: post #64

The project's rather esoteric license confuses me quite a bit, as it seems to have a mixture of English and French, and I can't make heads or tails out of the French parts. Could anyone else help me out describing the license terms in plain English, please?

Plugging 'Jollo' into Wikipedia gets me a page about a defunct machine translation engine. This reads exactly like a simple license that went through several rounds of machine translation. Making some allowances for usage and spelling errors, as well as some outright guesses at meaning, here's a somewhat fractured full-English translation:

See, far wanderer, confronted with raw, programmatic instruction in the most pure form. A hesitation, troubled to the terms that this license affirms. By a voyage to explore the mechanism and ponder the making. Ta da! The remedy: an egress without risk.

Leave No Trace via seven principles:

0. Modify language in advance. Attach the Jollo LNT license with copies to distribute.

1. Not responsible for negligent coding of the program.

2. Not sympathetic for negligent coding of the program.

3. No permission to modify it under any circumstance.

4. No permission to distribute under any circumstance.

5. Respect the programmatic instructions.

6. (Do) not interfere with the harmony of a friendship.

Edit: jollo.org is kind of trippy.

Re: Google Images Restored

#99

Post by userbinator »

andai wrote: post #91
towndrunk wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"indicator only shows up when you happen to hover over it. WTF." My wife and I had this conversation the other day. There are things in iOS you only get or see if you long press. How the hell are you to discover these things?

I keep hearing about these secret iOS features. Is there a manual or something I should have read?

But "modern" software is perfectly usable without documentation! /s

I miss the days when software actually came with very detailed documentation for the user. They had their hidden features too, but at least there was documentation for them.

Re: Google Images Restored

#100

Post by errantspark »

syndacks wrote: post #52
errantspark wrote: post #11

Fuck Getty Images. Fuck IP law. Fuck copyright. All that shit needs a massive refactor. I can't bear to think about how much harm has been done to software and human reality in general by lawyers and MBAs seeking to extract the maximum amount of value from things. I'm glad things like this exist, but so sad that they need to. EDIT: and as one commenter astutely pointed out, fuck Pintrest too, a perfect example of the…

We wouldn't have modern civilization without IP law. Curious how you make a living; if it's like anything like the vast majority of the people on this site, or society in general for that matter, it's rooted in laws protecting theft of intellectual property.

I am calling for a refactor, not anarchy. I will go on record as saying that we would be better off as a society with drastically reduced intellectual property protections, especially along the temporal axis. You shouldn't be able to hold onto IP of any sort for more than a decade or so under any circumstances.
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