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My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I've recently had much more luck with https://johnnydecimal.com/ , mirroring content structure across all my devices and even physically.

I’m about to implement this at home. Any tips?

Be broad with top level contacts. If you are able setup a sync to a cloud backup.

Use the same structure across all devices. Dont be afraid to archive whole directories when projects are done.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I've recently had much more luck with https://johnnydecimal.com/ , mirroring content structure across all my devices and even physically.

I’m about to implement this at home. Any tips?

I have a top level notes file in the x.y directories thst I often use to track the status of each project state.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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Zettlekasten: the Kubernetes of note-taking systems. I think it’s important to bear in mind the context this system grew out of (academic research) and ask yourself whether you really need such a heavyweight note-taking system. It’s also important to realize this system is not a substitute for accepted patterns of knowledge generation, such as summarizing extemporaneous notes and making time to review your notes freq…

> making time to review your notes frequently enough that the knowledge captured actually sticks.

Strictly inferior to a spaced repetition system.

> Zettlekasten is a system layered on top of that and basically serves as a database for things you already know.

Things you already understand. If you already knew it in a deep sense it would be redundant. In reality zettelkasten enable you to think better by giving you a lightweight prosthetic expansion to working memory. You can get the same benefits by elaborative expansion but writing a ton of loosely related notecards is a lot less demanding than writing an article or book.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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There have been several posts in recent weeks on this topic, and every time I have the same reaction: how can they all just ignore TiddlyWiki [0], that has been out there since 2004 and has evolved nicely over the years to deliver most of the same outcomes? Is it that folks just ignore prior art? or they just gravitate to the latest more sexy software? (honest question). I've been using TiddlyWiki on and off for many…

You are not alone. I'm on TiddlyWiki as well: http://beza1e1.tuxen.de/tiddlywiki_notes.html I love my two columns UI and seeing many notes at once. Why does Drift only show one note at once?

It seems like the important thing is not really what software you use, but what strategy you use, for taking notes.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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I love that the author publishes his notes for everyone to see. I do the same (at https://notes.stavros.io/ , though I have much fewer notes). Nowadays, with all the SEO going on, Google is useless for showing you things like the author's site. To combat that, I was thinking of making an open community of notes, sort of a Wikipedia/WikiHow where every user gets their personal site and publishes notes, but with search…

I've been thinking of this recently and found that I wanted a site like Stack Overflow but for sharing rather than Q&A. I'd be interesting in participating in an alpha.

I use my personal blog as my note taking location ([link redacted]). It uses blogger because I just wanted to get content published and available without worrying about theming.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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Here's a Zettelkasten CLI manager:

https://github.com/srid/neuron "neuron is a future-proof command-line app for managing your plain-text Zettelkasten notes."

Here are some sites that use it: https://neuron.zettel.page/examples.html

(ps: I'm not affiliated to neuron, just found it on the web and have been following since)

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just sequences of notes and then inserting certain notes into other sequences. The "heavyweight" part of it disappears when you're using software which handles all this in the background. The remaining parts of it is the unexpected results for someone who hasn't used this sort of note taking system. The book "How to Take Smart Notes" explains this. You use the notes as a starting point to come up with new ideas.…

I'll add this book to my queue then. Because so far, the "heavyweight" part of Zettelkasten for me wasn't organizing notes into graphs, but fitting thoughts into index-card equivalents. I found myself cutting tightly couple prose into linked pieces, with the link forming a fixed and necessary spine, because the whole set of pieces only makes sense if taken together.

The lightbulb moment for me was simply creating these sequences without putting much thought into them beyond that. It may have ended up a little messy but then I found that my creativity in coming up with new ideas lit up. That became super useful even if I were breaking any other "rules."

A lot of people seem to get caught up in LARPing by following strict rules before they see this usefulness and that rational approach holds back the creativity. It's like getting so caught up in the process of how to have sex that you never figure out how to actually enjoy it.

And yes, the card system would require these rules to make it work because otherwise you might not be able to find anything.

Another issue is that people get carried away with some of the better software for using this system and they end up creating their own rigid system. For example, the power in RoamResearch for me is the most basic features it shipped with. But it could also be a sort of "no-code" platform which people use to "no-code" themselves into a corner. I feel like you should have one "database" in Roam which you use only for this purpose and largely without structure. Make a mess and resist temptation to make it super organized. The more you get caught up in structure, the less you're thinking about exploring your ideas.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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There's the notorious productivity swamp that is caused by the obsession with optimizing productivity without thinking about the actual purpose behind it. This is multiplied by the ease and incentive of creating and publicizing productivity software and articles that are consumed by people in a perpetual state of insatisfaction. The result is a psychologically advanced form of procrastination and a futile attempt at…

> To-do lists are for things that aren't a real priority, otherwise you would be giving them your full attention and the tracking would be unnecessary. At most, it's helpful to track administrative minutiae. If you give something your full attention, tracking will seem like a non-sequitur.

This is not true for humans with deficits in memory or attention, which is a common problem in a world of constant distraction. Even when the majority of the articles and techniques is geared towards people with underlying problems that should be fixed first, it doesn't mean the gained knowledge and functionality is useless to everyone.

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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For anyone who wants the gist of Zettelkasten, I've just finished reading How to Take Smart Notes by Sönke Ahrens. Here's my rather brief summary of the process: * You create fleeting notes to capture ideas as they happen. They should be short lived notes that don't become the main store of your knowledge. * You create literature notes as your read material. These should include your own thoughts on highlighted passa…

> Each note should contain a single idea and should be understandable when reading in isolation. This is the part that I can't get my head around. How do you make such short notes, particularly with enough context to make it understandable in isolation?

I relate. There is no universally valid way to measure understandability and any note can be subdivided so many different ways.

> Each note should contain a single idea and should be understandable when reading in isolation.

It's really a guiding principle. Unlike index cards in filing drawers, markdown with wikilinks allows for infinitely long notes and a low cost for context switching. you can choose whatever balance of note size/quantity you want.

In my markdown-based second brain built originally in Obsidian and now in Dendron, I have around 350 notes with what is probably a Poisson distribution of sizes. The important thing is that jumping from note to note costs very little.

further, if a note warrants splitting, now you can do it as fast as you can think it. The founder of Dendron aptly describes this as a part of the amoeba pattern: https://dendron.so/notes/e780000d-c784-4945-8e42-35218a3ecf1...

Re: My Second Brain – Zettelkasten

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can give it a try with obsidian.md

the publish function is interesting, it'd be cool if there was also an "export" publish (i can host the website myself).

Foam and Dendron Extensions for Vscode offer this functionality So you can publish your notes to github pages or any other static site hosting platform.
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