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Re: Tim Berners-Lee wants to put people in control of their personal data

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Post by chrisweekly » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 3:33 AM UTC

reilly3000 wrote: post #49

chrisweekly wrote: post #42

This is a bit of a tangent, but I think there's a market for a "self-tracker" data hub of sorts. My half-baked idea is that it'd run locally and ingest my activity of all sorts -- privately, securely, individually -- to help inform my personal knowledge base. Along the lines of Readwise but broader and deeper, and with analytics....

1000% yes. Local logging of activities from lots of applications and devices. Everything gets added to a full-text search index, and the data only lives locally unless otherwise specified.

per sibling comments, perkeep looks like exactly this! :)

Re: Tim Berners-Lee wants to put people in control of their personal data

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Post by westurner » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 8:21 AM UTC

cxr wrote: post #72

westurner wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I recognize the value of W3C LDP and SOLID, I also fail to see anything in SOLID that prevents B from sharing A's now pod-siloed information. Does it prevent screenshots and OCR? So it's in standard record structs and that makes it harder for the bad guys? Who moderates mean memes with my face on them? It is my hope that future Linked Data spec tutorials model something benign like shapes or cells instead of pe…

Laws still exist against things like perjury, even though the existence of the law is not a technical means in itself able to prevent perjury. Note that one of the comments upthread specifically mentioned legislation. The current notion that many people in the tech world have, which roughly states that what determines whether something is kosher is whether it's technically possible to accomplish, is something that ne…

No, there are few to no actual privacy improvements over centralized systems.

Perhaps even functional regression: what, are you going to run a hash blocklist across all nodes? Like spamhaus? Is there logging or user accounting? Is anything chain of custody admissable, or are we actually talking about privacy and liberty here?

Is everything just marked, "not for unlimited distribution"? And we dwpend upon there not being bad actors?

Real costs are very different with just friendly early adopters.

Cryptographically signing posts (with LD-Signatures) may help with integrity, but that can be done with centralized systems and does nothing to help with confidentiality.

What about availability? Is it a trivially-DOS'able system?

Re: Tim Berners-Lee wants to put people in control of their personal data

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Post by pintxo » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 9:21 AM UTC

alisonkisk wrote: post #80

pintxo wrote: post #26

We should simply outlaw most privacy-invasive behavior. People will still demand news, social-media etc, but the payment will be different. Technology cannot and must not solve everything.

Define "privacy-invasive" in a way everyone agrees.

1. Ad-tracking: we have lived decades without advertises being able to track responses, viewership etc. Ads will still be valuable for business if we remove those options.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee wants to put people in control of their personal data

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Post by davidwsilva » Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 2:30 AM UTC

The Solid Project uses OpenID authentication (which is built on top of the OAuth 2.0 protocol). The claim is that Solid uses OpenID to uniquely identify every single shared object in a Pod. OpenID is then responsible for the access control to Pod's resources. It is an interesting and intriguing enough of an idea which makes it worth investigating (even for curiosity-only purposes).