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Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla

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Post by bb88 » Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 5:52 AM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #83

bb88 wrote: post #71

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> A car is not your mother. Rhetoric like this works until it won't anymore. And that rhetoric breaks when innocent bystanders start getting killed in numbers. Line up enough grieving families in front of congress and congress will act, and then the new rhetoric will be "The car should be your mother."

> Rhetoric like this works until it won't anymore. Let it continue to work forever then. > And that rhetoric breaks when innocent bystanders start getting killed in numbers. Line up enough grieving families in front of congress and congress will act, and then the new rhetoric will be "The car should be your mother." Do I get to line up mine? Cars doing what idiots tell them to is remedied by punishing those idiots. C…

While you make a bunch of good points about the unintended consequences of regulations, it's clear to me that cars work as is without an auto-pilot -- and have since the original Model T.

That said, Ralph Nader's "Unsafe At Any Speed" is a great example of why regulation of automobiles is needed. There's also a reason why cars have safety glass on the windshield.

I'd like to see your entire post again, but related only to self-driving cars.

Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla

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Post by SEJeff » Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

thatguy0900 wrote: post #60

everyone wrote: post #13

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You intentionally wish to drive 10% higher than the speed limit.. So, you desire to be in car crash? Also one at faster speeds and therefore exponentially more deadly? Everyone has to use public roads, not just you. You are endangering all other diligent road users with your behavior, not just yourself.

Curious where you live that people don't speed. Here in Ohio you're expected to go 5 over at all times, people will tailgate and honk if you don't. 10% is lower than that at all but highway speeds

Australia (as an example) has hard speed limits. If you go over their speed limits by 1kph (kilometers), you can get a ticket and they put speeding cameras in abandoned prop cars on roads to catch speeders. I learned this from a coworker who moved here (Chicago) from Melbourne as he was remarking about driving on the highways here.

Re: Man accused of dangerous driving for sleeping in self-driving, speeding Tesla

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Post by diggernet » Thu, Dec 31, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #28

anonu wrote: post #23

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This [1] was the famous 2016 crash where a Tesla broad-sided a basically stationary semi-truck. Are you suggesting Tesla hasn't solved this type of problem yet? [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-crash/tesla-driver-...

Yes, of course Tesla hasn't solved it yet, because no one has, and in fact it probably isn't possible to solve without some magic tech that doesn't exist yet - it might be possible to fix with LIDAR, but obviously Tesla doesn't have it. All of these systems have to ignore stationary objects ahead of them, or the car would be emergency braking in too many daily situations to be usable. Simple case, at 150km/h you are…

Sorry, coming in late, but gotta object here...

My Subaru has no problem detecting stationary objects. It uses stereo cameras, for which object detection and locating the object is a thoroughly solved problem, whether the object is moving or stationary. No magic needed. It just works. For example, there is a sharp turn near my home with prominent turn signs along the curve, which puts them directly in front of you as you approach the turn. Those stationary signs quite reliably set off my collision warning if I'm approaching them too fast.

Tesla has the problem because it uses radar for object detection. The radar can tell them the presence of an object, but cannot tell them the object's location. An overhead sign or overpass or whatever looks the same as an object in the road. So to avoid countless false positives, they need to ignore signals from stationary objects because they chose to use radar. It's a self-inflicted problem that other vehicles do not have.