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How neutering dogs became the norm

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Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by perardi »

sn_master wrote: post #69
leetcrew wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are almost 80 million dogs in america. linking a video with hundreds of pitbull attacks is not much better than just saying your neighbor has one and it's mean. the margin for error is probably higher with a lab or golden retriever, but it's irresponsible to own any large dog without committing to proper training and socialization. any large dog can maim or kill a human if provoked.

There is a reason BSLs exist. Scientists in those countries have decided pitbulls in particular are statistically more dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation Please be cautious before getting a pit bull yourself or for a loved one. I don't see this discussion moving forward regardless of whatever evidence I present. God bless, have a great holiday.

Define a “pit bull”. Go right ahead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by perardi »

sn_master wrote: post #62
michaelmrose wrote: post #54

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Do you have any data to back up inherent breed based aggression by pit bulls?

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... Says Pit Bulls are responsible for 69% of the fatalities (not just of all attacks).

Define a “pit bull”. Go right ahead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by OJFord »

realsimplesynd wrote: post #57
projektfu wrote: post #38

As a US veterinarian, I hold a nuanced view of spay/neuter. Nevertheless, I generally recommend it as default for most pet owners, as it goes along with their expectations of what their pet's life will be like. People who elected to leave their dogs intact are often shocked by something down the line. 1. Pyometra. Dogs do not have menopause, but they may stop cycling. When they do they can develop a uterine infection…

> 6. All bitches bleed during proestrus. The word “bitch” has changed so much in cultural meaning during the last 50 years or so that somehow it feels more offensive to call a female dog a “bitch” then a human. How is “bitch” used in veterinary hospitals?

No it hasn't, stop giggling at the back of the class.

The only thing that's arguably changed is the extent to which 'dog' is a genderless generic term.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by dragonwriter »

sn_master wrote: post #58
michaelmrose wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would get less down votes if you make substantial arguments as people will be more apt to engage in discussion instead of down voting and moving on.

I shared a YouTube link with hundreds of videos of pitbull attacks caught on camera. Watching one or two of those videos should constitute a substantial argument if someone has an open mind. From experience, I can spend a solid hour writing arguments and I'll get downvoted anyway by all the SJWs here who refuse to accept anything differing from they believe in. Even if one person decides to watch any of those videos…

> I shared a YouTube link with hundreds of videos of pitbull attacks caught on camera.

Which proves nothing about innate traits. That pit bulls have a reputation that makes them prized with people that want to train dogs for aggressiveness (a culturalnrole in which they displaced doberman pinschers in a fairly sudden phase transition despite no change in the underlying innate traits of either breed) is not controversial.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by dragonwriter »

sn_master wrote: post #69
leetcrew wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are almost 80 million dogs in america. linking a video with hundreds of pitbull attacks is not much better than just saying your neighbor has one and it's mean. the margin for error is probably higher with a lab or golden retriever, but it's irresponsible to own any large dog without committing to proper training and socialization. any large dog can maim or kill a human if provoked.

There is a reason BSLs exist. Scientists in those countries have decided pitbulls in particular are statistically more dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation Please be cautious before getting a pit bull yourself or for a loved one. I don't see this discussion moving forward regardless of whatever evidence I present. God bless, have a great holiday.

> There is a reason BSLs exist.

Largely, responding to cultural trends among humans, and taking easy, symbolic legislative outs without supporting science.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by Kalium »

AuthorizedCust wrote: post #85
tw25511315 wrote: post #79

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The social density aspect is an interesting one. Of course, there is still the option of not having a dog in such an environment. This leads me now to wonder whether it's not a bit selfish to decide to mess with an animal's hormones to get them to conform to an unnatural environment. Not casting aspersions; every dog I've had was spayed/neutered.

> This leads me now to wonder whether it's not a bit selfish to decide to mess with an animal's hormones to get them to conform to an unnatural environment. Do dogs even have a natural environment? Dogs are separated from any natural source by many thousands of years, and done in a way to make them easy for them to be owned by humans.

At this juncture? I would say a dog's natural environment is among humans.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by simonblack »

dfxm12 wrote: post #16

I'm surprised there's no mention of Bob Barker. In 1970, less than 10 percent of licensed dogs were spay or neutered. Today, about 80 percent are. From 1979, everyday, Bob would end his show with this message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTpolOR0kQo It's where I learned about the issue...

> no mention of Bob Barker

Pseudonym, or one of the famous people following their names.

I used to know a Doctor Blood, for instance.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by aerosmile »

ambivalents wrote: post #59
projektfu wrote: post #38

As a US veterinarian, I hold a nuanced view of spay/neuter. Nevertheless, I generally recommend it as default for most pet owners, as it goes along with their expectations of what their pet's life will be like. People who elected to leave their dogs intact are often shocked by something down the line. 1. Pyometra. Dogs do not have menopause, but they may stop cycling. When they do they can develop a uterine infection…

Thank you for sharing this. Regarding behavior, do intact male dogs also attract aggressive behavior towards them? My (intact male) dog isn't aggressive, but a few times now other dogs have attacked him (not resulting in serious injury, but was super scary). I was told by a trainer that he could be emitting hormones that cause this behavior in other dogs.

In short, yes. Boarding places require neutering for that reason even if your dog passes all behavioral tests.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by postalrat »

Talanes wrote: post #76
sjg007 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are running off to sow their oats.

The inference is obvious, I assume the poster is looking for actual data.

After owning an unneutered dog when I was a kid I can't imagine the data shows anything else.
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