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Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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This title is misleading: > The Protecting Lawful Streaming Act would apply only to commercial, for-profit streaming piracy services. The law will not sweep in normal practices by online service providers, good faith business disputes, noncommercial activities, or in any way impact individuals who access pirated streams or unwittingly stream unauthorized copies of copyrighted works. Individuals who might use pirate s…

Does this change anything? Isn't criminal copyright infringement already a thing?

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"Last year, one study reported that digital video piracy costs the U.S. economy $29.2 billion a year." Well, I'd say that it in fact saves $30 billion a year. People can use it to buy more important stuff - such as food.

I read on a post somewhere that if you replace "the economy" with "rich people yatch money" a lot of headlines make more sense. "Last year, one study reported that digital video piracy costs the U.S. rich people yatch money $29.2 billion a year."

Are all the people, from the film crew to the VFX artists and engineers that work on the IP that is being stolen "rich people yatch (sic!) money"?

You can say what you want about IP law; you wouldn't be able to enjoy many big-budget productions if it wouldn't exist. Many jobs, high-paying and low-paying, wouldn't exist. Of course, the business model for content distribution is somewhat nonsensical and the time until content gets in the public domain should be 10 years, but that doesn't mean that IP law shouldn't exist. Not to mention that the 29 billion number is probably also BS.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Since most if not all of these platforms are based in countries more friendly towards infringement it’s really not going to do much of anything other than be another law that gets selectively applied and abused.

This is the most realistic and useful comment I've read so far.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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post #17
post #8

"Last year, one study reported that digital video piracy costs the U.S. economy $29.2 billion a year." Well, I'd say that it in fact saves $30 billion a year. People can use it to buy more important stuff - such as food.

I read on a post somewhere that if you replace "the economy" with "rich people yatch money" a lot of headlines make more sense. "Last year, one study reported that digital video piracy costs the U.S. rich people yatch money $29.2 billion a year."

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Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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"Last year, one study reported that digital video piracy costs the U.S. economy $29.2 billion a year." Well, I'd say that it in fact saves $30 billion a year. People can use it to buy more important stuff - such as food.

It's a common misconception that piracy is a loss of business. It's nothing more than an overestimation in profits. How can companies say they lose profit when the only realistic way I see for that is someone getting a refund and spending it on a competitor?

> It's a common misconception that piracy is a loss of business. It's nothing more than an overestimation in profits.

I used to think it was beneficial in the old days when most useful software was proprietary and few decent open alternatives existed.

A teenager who wanted to make a custom 3D model for a quake mod needed an extremely expensive 3d animation package from maya or 3dstudio max. A teen doesn't have 3ds or maya money. So they pirate it and learned to use 3ds max or maya and in the process build up an actual skill. Later on when they go on to work in the industry their skill now creates actual demand for said software. In a way it was a gain.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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I'm disgusted by the comments on HN every time media theft is mentioned. It costs money to make movies, TV shows, and music. There are millions of people whose careers depend on it. Most of the people involved make less than your average HN media pirate. Yes, like everything else, the people at the top make more. Yes, there are shitty UIs, DRM, and absurd rules preventing fair and convenient use of media even if you pay for it. No, copying media isn't the same kind of theft as shoplifting. You're still unilaterally deciding that the rules don't apply to you, that no one involved in the production deserves to get paid. Don't like all the negative aspects of the broken media business? Fine, spend your money on something else, but watch something else too. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Gabe Newell (of Steam fame) has it right: Piracy is not a price problem, it's a service problem. Offer your digital goods packaged in a good service, and people will buy them (see: Netflix). Make it annoying to get your digital goods (through hostile "anti-piracy" software, bad UI, paltry device support, etc), and people will pirate instead.

I'd argue the current trend towards exclusives / market fragmentation on video is one such example. Having to buy, then search through 5-6 different streaming services to get what I want is a form of friction, which is non-existent on pirate sites that have everything, for free.

The music industry has got it mostly right, IMO. There are a few players (Youtube Music, Spotify, Apple Music) but they all have mostly the same catalog. They compete on service, not catalog. I'd like to see a similar shift for TV & movies, but it doesn't look likely.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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post #9

This title is misleading: > The Protecting Lawful Streaming Act would apply only to commercial, for-profit streaming piracy services. The law will not sweep in normal practices by online service providers, good faith business disputes, noncommercial activities, or in any way impact individuals who access pirated streams or unwittingly stream unauthorized copies of copyrighted works. Individuals who might use pirate s…

commercial is a simple as running ads

Running ads on copyrighted content that you didn't pay for is pretty nasty. Is that your position, defending profiteering off of someone else's content?
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