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Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by threeseed »

tuhdo wrote: post #4
gigatexal wrote: post #3

This is how-to-make-a-click-bait article-101. Show me an x86 laptop in the same power envelope that can match the fanless MacBook Air with the m1. I’ll wait. Oh and do so at roughly 1k. On the desktop the Mac mini is 699 USD in its base spec. The 5800X is 500 euros on its own before motherboard, case, ram etc etc. Apples to apples benchmarks either controlling for power or price would make for a more relevant article…

Many other clickbait articles claimed that M1 is better than the best desktop class CPUs. I only tested the water and found otherwise. The 5900HX is planned and should be within 90% performance of my 5800X within 45W TDP. Not close to the power consumption, but then zen 3 is only on 7nm, while M1 is on 5nm. The Mac Mini is $699 with only 8GB RAM, that runs out after a few browser tabs. So, for a work machine, you wou…

> The Mac Mini is $699 with only 8GB RAM, that runs out after a few browser tabs

You know swap exists right.

I just opened 30+ tabs on the MacBook Air without any issues.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by leecb »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #10

Thanks for sharing some programming-centric benchmarks using modern CPUs. I always wish that CPU reviewers would stop churning out pages of graphs with synthetic benchmark workloads and instead post things that actually matter, like compile times and other programming benchmarks. The M1 processor is extremely impressive for the price and power envelope. However, I'm noticing a lot of people have taken Apple's marketi…

> A significant portion of Apple's lead came from buying exclusivity on TSMC's 5nm process

It's hard to estimate how much of Apple's advantage came from the 5nm process, but we can get a guess by comparing the A13 and A14. One of the biggest differences between last year's A13 and this year's A14 is the 5nm process (vs 7nm+). The performance increase seems to be on the order of 15% [1], and Apple was able to fit in a lot more transistors- 11.8B vs. 8.5B, though we don't know how many of those transistors were spent on the CPU, and how many were spent in other areas like the GPU or ISP.

Seems like the additional transistors and lower power consuption were used to increase performance in a bunch of ways- higher clock speeds, more cache, and a bigger reorder buffer being the obvious improvements. Perhaps AMD can pull off a similar improvement when they switch processes.

[1] Spec2006 numbers from https://www.anandtech.com/show/16192/the-iphone-12-review/2

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by threeseed »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #10

Thanks for sharing some programming-centric benchmarks using modern CPUs. I always wish that CPU reviewers would stop churning out pages of graphs with synthetic benchmark workloads and instead post things that actually matter, like compile times and other programming benchmarks. The M1 processor is extremely impressive for the price and power envelope. However, I'm noticing a lot of people have taken Apple's marketi…

The only part of Apple's marketing material that even references desktops are related to integrated graphics.

So what's clear is that a lot of people are acting irrationally especially since the M1 is their low-end laptop CPU. At least wait for their mid-range laptop/desktop CPU scheduled for next year to make proper judgements.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by eloff »

scoopertrooper wrote: post #49
eloff wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For desktop workloads it doesn't matter, so this is a relevant comparison to many.

But this device wasn't built for use cases where power consumption doesn't matter. The M1 MacPro will give us a sense for how the M* design scales to those sorts of workloads.

I care how it compares to other products on the market for my use case. It doesn't matter what it's built for. This is a relevant comparison from that perspective.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by iseanstevens »

I come away from this way more impressed by the M1 than I was going in. It's a comparison of a ~$700 stock, low end full computer Vs. $700 for high end CPU only. And the high end CPU has overclocking tweaks enabled, and overclocked memory.

The M1 generally keeps up quite well, which blows my mind. The power use difference Is pretty big as well.

Yeah, it would be great if Apple was totally open source.

But this is going to push the entire industry to do way better.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by eloff »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #72
eloff wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For my work machine I don't care much about the price (to a point) or the power consumption. I want the fastest compiles money can buy. This article is exactly what I want to see, and confirms my decision to go for the 5900x. Now if AMD can just get them in stock. The local waiting list is months long.

If you want the fastest compiles money can buy, wouldn't you be looking at a massive, 3rd gen threadripper?

If you mean the 3rd gen server chips, they're not released yet.

Also there are diminishing returns as core count increases. I'm doubting that a 5950x is worth it over the 5900x for me.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by eloff »

jzelinskie wrote: post #68
Jonnax wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's chip has 4200Mhz RAM. Wouldn't it be fair to have both ram speeds the same? Also it's a set of benchmarks some random person did. It's interesting and useful information. They aren't a publication doing a comparison.

For Zen, you actually want to run your memory clock at a multiple of the FCLK and not as high as possible. So making the RAM frequency the same as the M1 might have actually harmed performance.

I don't think that's true with Zen 3. If you have a source to the contrary I'm interested to see it.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by alwillis »

p1necone wrote: post #58
gzer0 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, the conclusion states the following: > While M1 is indeed very powerful for its size, when comparing it to the high-end x86 desktop, it is still slower. Okay, great. I'm not sure what to expect when you compare the lowest end first generation processor from Apple to one of the more high-end of the spectrum x86. Edit: Forgot to mention how the power draw on the M1 is still significantly less; m1 with al…

The reason people are making these comparisons between CPUs that are basically in entirely separate market segments is because of apples marketing suggesting that the M1 beats everything , rather than just other low power CPUs, and people taking said marketing at face value.

>apples marketing suggesting that the M1 beats everything

Nope—Apple’s marketing never said that. Everything they said in their November 10, 2020 press release has been backed up by reviewers and testers. It's you guys that blew their claims out of proportion.

For example, there's no reason to disbelieve that the M1 13-inch MacBook Pro is up to 3x faster than the best-selling laptops (of the 9 months leading up to November 10, 2020) in it's class—13″ to 14″ laptops that cost around $1200.

Is there a popular PC desktop that cost $600-$699 that's faster than the Mac mini? I've already seen the M1 Mac mini discounted to $625…

From the Apple press release [0]:

And in MacBook Air, M1 is faster than the chips in 98 percent of PC laptops sold in the past year. [1]

And with M1, the 13-inch MacBook Pro is up to 3x faster than the best-selling Windows laptop in its class. [2]

And when compared to the best-selling Windows desktop in its price range, the Mac mini is just one-tenth the size, yet delivers up to 5x faster performance. [3]

[0]: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/11/introducing-the-next-...

[1]: Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip and 16GB of RAM. Performance measured using select industry-standard benchmarks. PC configurations from publicly available sales data over the last 12 months. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.

[2]: Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production Intel Core i7-based PC systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics and the latest version of Windows 10 available at the time of testing. Best-selling system based on publicly available sales data over the last nine months. Tested with graphics-intensive workloads in commercial applications. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.

[3]: Testing conducted by Apple in October 2020 using preproduction Mac mini systems with Apple M1 chip, as well as production Intel Core i5-based PC systems with Intel UHD Graphics 630 and the latest version of Windows 10 available at the time of testing. Best-selling system based on publicly available sales data over the last nine months. Tested with select industry-standard graphics benchmarks. Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of Mac mini.

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