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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This role does not sound like an "executive" in the sense I think of it. It sounds like an individual contributor role, and not one that sets company policy either.

Whatever definition of "executive" floats your boat, I guess.

People answering the phone in call centers often have the official job title "Customer Service Executive" in companies (just search google for jobs). Just saying.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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I will speak with other leaders at my company to move us away from Zoom for conferencing. If you're a leader how can you read this and not only tolerate it, but pay for it? This is it.

I moved away early this year due to its poor track record on security: 2019 - Report of the Zoom app's malware like behaviour-using a hidden web server to enable Zoom much more capabilities than simply launching a zoom call like re-installing the Zoom software[1]

2020-Tricking its users during installation pretending the OS is requiring password[2]

In general, playing fast and loose with its users' data-sending a conference en(de)cryption key between two users in Canada/US to an ip address in Beijing.[3]

[1]https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-... [2]https://twitter.com/c1truz_/status/1244737672930824193 [3]https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto...

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#93
post #77

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I think it's been mentioned on hn before, but it sure seems like we should look twice at anyone who gets charged with child pornography - could be someone getting framed.

Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

Humans are quite dimwitted unfortunately.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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post #30

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Interestingly, the number of CCP members employed is way over the baseline quota demanded by Beijing (where usually companies like Jet.com and alibaba will struggle to retain and meet this quota, Zoom has never seemed to has this issue...)

How would one validate the number of CCP members employed at one of these companies, or the quota?

The CCP knows who is in the party and they can easily see who is employed within China. They do publish who is and who isn’t within violation.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

Humans are quite dimwitted unfortunately.

yeah that's not the lesson from this

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#96
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's been mentioned on hn before, but it sure seems like we should look twice at anyone who gets charged with child pornography - could be someone getting framed.

Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

Charges are based on evidence shown to a grand jury. The law presumes people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s totally reasonable to talk about the charges in a news context. Charges being filed means some meaningful threshold has been passed.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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post #91
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever definition of "executive" floats your boat, I guess.

People answering the phone in call centers often have the official job title "Customer Service Executive" in companies (just search google for jobs). Just saying.

Primary liaison with police and the CCP does not sound like a low wage job especially for a Chinese firm.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's been mentioned on hn before, but it sure seems like we should look twice at anyone who gets charged with child pornography - could be someone getting framed.

Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

The degree to which charges predict things is the degree to which they serve as "evidence" for the purposes of prediction.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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post #96
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

Charges are based on evidence shown to a grand jury. The law presumes people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s totally reasonable to talk about the charges in a news context. Charges being filed means some meaningful threshold has been passed.

Charges filed means they've pissed off someone powerful, no more no less. It's up to you to evaluate the evidence based on what's publicly known. Generally when the government doesn't show its evidence, it should be treated with extreme skepticism.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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"unlawful conspiracy to transfer a means of identification." I don't think I've ever heard that phrase before. It's a federal crime? What does it mean?

Not even the United States federal government has a list of all the crimes under federal law. There's a funny Twitter account that was tweeting a new federal crime every day for a while.

In case you'd like to know how to research your question when you see a government announcement on a criminal case:

1. Scroll the bottom of the page. If it's the website of the government agency that brought the case, they'll almost always link to a "complaint", which is almost always a PDF.

2. In a criminal complaint, each crime charged is usually called a "count". Search the PDF to find the "count" that matches up with the crime you're interested in. In this case, the means-of-identification charge is count two.

3. Look for a "citation", a reference to a section or other numbered subdivision of a law within that count, in the part that spells out which law they're being charged under. Here: "Title 18, United States Code, Section 1028(a)(7) and 1028(f)".

4. Go to the official website of the government that law comes from. In this case, it's the US federal government. Their info portal is https://www.govinfo.gov/.

5. Search for the citation and find the law and its text. The portal will usually provide some notes after the text of the law about which bills introduced or changed that particular subdivision, and when. Sometimes they'll even provide commentary or citations to cases decided under it. I'll leave that part to you if you're interested.

6. For extra background, try searching for the name of the bill that introduced the law on Wikipedia, or even on Google. You can often get a sense of what was going on at the time, who proposed the bill and how the vote for it panned out, and so on.

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