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Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by madars »

bserge wrote: post #61

Great, another Linux distro... I am trying to use something , but I just can't. Spending my time fixing problems instead of doing actual work is fun, for a while. Every damn time I start this one laptop with Linux, trying to get away from Windows 10, there's something to fix. Oh, the undervolt is not being applied, time to build the whole thing again. Oh, restart causes it to wank the hard drive indefinitely for some…

As many people can attest, popular Linux distributions (like Ubuntu or Fedora) work just fine on select hardware, like ThinkPad X series, or Dell XPS. But Linux on desktop is fundamentally a tinkerer's OS: great if you like tinkering and flexible when you need it but otherwise a waste of time for a lot of people :) I like tinkering and use Linux ~exclusively but don't recommend it to most of my friends.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by IshKebab »

bserge wrote: post #61

Great, another Linux distro... I am trying to use something , but I just can't. Spending my time fixing problems instead of doing actual work is fun, for a while. Every damn time I start this one laptop with Linux, trying to get away from Windows 10, there's something to fix. Oh, the undervolt is not being applied, time to build the whole thing again. Oh, restart causes it to wank the hard drive indefinitely for some…

I agree it is a problem. I think there are several reasons:

1. It's a mountain of work and loads of people involved are doing it in their limited spare time.

2. It's even more of a mountain of work because Linux developers have to write all the hardware drivers themselves too. On Windows drivers tend to be written by device manufacturers but that rarely happens on Linux because it's very difficult to write closed source drivers and they have fewer Linux users anyway.

3. A large proportion of Linux users and developers have drunk the Unix kool-aid and think that everything should stay exactly as it was in the 70s. Text based config files, services controlled by Bash scripts, etc. It's pretty much impossible to make a reliable modern system with Bluetooth, WiFi, external displays, hotplugging, etc. with that attitude.

4. Hardware makers only test on Windows so some of the bugs in stuff like suspend are probably hardware bugs that Windows happens not to trigger.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by DoreenMichele »

nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

Would PetrOS work better for you as a serious name?

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by asutekku »

varbhat wrote: post #62
nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

"Thinking back to early CentOS days... My cofounder was Rocky McGaugh. He is no longer with us, so as a H/T to him, who never got to see the success that CentOS came to be, I introduce to you...Rocky Linux" — Gregory Kurtzer, Founder of Rocky Linux and Co-founder of CentOS It's written in Repo's README

No matter how good the intentions are, the name is pretty bad.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by moonbug »

unethical_ban wrote: post #33
tmoravec wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian offers around three years of support. Ubuntu LTS around five. Both pale in comparison with Red Hat and, by proxy, CentOS.

Arguably, no one should be running a server that long in 2020. I would say a better reason is that while both are Linux distributions, they are distinct dialects and ecosystems. It isn't impossible to switch, but for institutions that have complex infrastructure built around the RHEL world, it is a lot of work to convert.

>Arguably, no one should be running a server that long in 2020.

That's mental.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by TMWNN »

nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

>The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

I agree. I mean, who would take something called "Red Hat" seriously?

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by macintux »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #9

Welp...that didn't take long. I expected something like this would happen in light of the recent changes over at CentOS.

Took even less time than you think. I remember the original Rocky announcement was the same day (or maybe next) as IBM's.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by smnrchrds »

cgb223 wrote: post #48
1-6 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get far with bad branding. Case: Ubuntu

Ubuntu doesn’t literally mean “a bumpy ride” or “a relationship that’s got some trouble in it”

Oh, that's what you thought of! I was confused as why people take offence at Rocky.

As a Calgarian, the first thing I thought of was Rocky Mountains. Due to their proximity, you see the name is so many things and places here. For example, the area surrounding Calgary is called Rocky View County.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by jolmg »

joana035 wrote: post #86
colesantiago wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the naming makes it sound like unstable version of linux.

Ubuntu is a Nguni Bantu term meaning "humanity". It is often translated as "I am because we are", or "humanity towards others", or in Zulu "umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu" or in Xhosa, "umntu ngumntu ngabantu" but is often used in a more philosophical sense to mean "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity" Taken from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_philosophy But yes, Ubuntu is based on…

When they replied, what I originally had written was "Why is it bad branding?". I thought it would be obvious from the parent comment that I was talking about Ubuntu, but I think they thought I was talking about "Rocky Linux".
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