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Vercel raise $40M Series B

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Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

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No offense, I think people are crazy to rely on a stack they can easily make themselves vs. a series B startup. It's not that difficult to build and deploy full stack apps on your own server.

how many times do we need to link to the dropbox comment before HN commenters get it? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

Forever? If it made sense to everyone, there would be no upside.

The very nature of an innovative idea is that few people see it.

Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

#92

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That's not surprising - lots of the time you want to write what he impact is up front. It was pretty easy to just click "Documentation" and see more: https://vercel.com/docs > Vercel is a cloud platform for static sites and Serverless Functions that fits perfectly with your workflow. It enables developers to host Jamstack websites and web services that deploy instantly, scale automatically, and requires no supervisio…

Do you think it's reasonable for someone arriving at the website with the very common question of "what exactly do they do?" to click the "Documentation" link?

For a developer audience, yes. For a non technical audience, no.

Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

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I still have no idea what it is after reading that blurb. AWS “fits perfectly” with my workflow so in concrete terms how is this different?

Marketing is responsible for communicating value to their users and buyers, not the entire population. Consider the possibility that if you can't wrap your mind around a product even after several explanations, maybe you're not the target audience. I don't mean this in a negative way, and concede that Marketing often fails to even get their users and buyers to understand.

I did consider that possibility but as someone whose entire career has been involved in various parts of web development I figured I should be able to at least get a general understanding of where they fit in the stack. If someone like me isn’t a potential customer then who is?

Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

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Do you think it's reasonable for someone arriving at the website with the very common question of "what exactly do they do?" to click the "Documentation" link?

For a developer audience, yes. For a non technical audience, no.

It's square aimed at developers though, so shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

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Oh god. Even companies raising $40,000,000 can’t explain what they do: “Vercel combines the best developer experience with an obsessive focus on end-user performance. Our platform enables frontend teams to do their best work.” Nice, inspiring evocative words, but I care to find what the fuck Vercel IS, and this is not an answer. Maybe if I reword the above it will become clear: Vercel lets developers have a really gr…

This is basically called the Ladder of Abstraction:

https://www.toolshero.com/communication-skills/ladder-of-abs...

YOU aren't the audience for this press release because the people they are trying to attract are more interested in abstract concepts than concrete ones. E.g. "I'm a great visionary CTO of a 100 person dev team and I use Vercel". A developer doesn't care that Vercel raised $40M, all they want to know is "if I push code to your stack, will it host my JAMstack".

NOW, I would argue that a good press release for a devchain based company can talk to BOTH audiences, and I think the criticism there is fair.

Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think it's reasonable for someone arriving at the website with the very common question of "what exactly do they do?" to click the "Documentation" link?

For a developer audience, yes. For a non technical audience, no.

This assumption that any developer might automatically navigate to documentation page sounds silly. This is not true. Developers glance the page like normal people do and the OP's concerns are not wrong.

Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

#97

I'm a huge fan of vercel, it's saved me a lot of money[1] this year. Their developer experience is incredibly friendly and they've contributed extremely useful libraries to open-source, including micro and next.js. I've had great support experiences for some serious issues like platform bugs. They're in a tough position because the serverless paradigm is still foreign to many people, and many typical project dependen…

Can you please explain a bit more? This sounds very interesting and it might teach things that we don't know about vercel.

Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

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You're supposed to use other hosted database vendor or your own database server if you need it. I don't think they offer any database service.

What’s the recommended DB host? Does the Next community have a go to?

I don't think there's an official recommendation. Any database host will work just fine. However if you want to optimize based on location, here are the regions where Vercel hosts: https://vercel.com/docs/edge-network/regions#routing. So hosting a database in AWS in any of those regions probably makes the most sense.

Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

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post #95

Oh god. Even companies raising $40,000,000 can’t explain what they do: “Vercel combines the best developer experience with an obsessive focus on end-user performance. Our platform enables frontend teams to do their best work.” Nice, inspiring evocative words, but I care to find what the fuck Vercel IS, and this is not an answer. Maybe if I reword the above it will become clear: Vercel lets developers have a really gr…

This is basically called the Ladder of Abstraction: https://www.toolshero.com/communication-skills/ladder-of-abs... YOU aren't the audience for this press release because the people they are trying to attract are more interested in abstract concepts than concrete ones. E.g. "I'm a great visionary CTO of a 100 person dev team and I use Vercel". A developer doesn't care that Vercel raised $40M, all they want to know is…

The quote "Vercel combines the best developer experience with an obsessive focus on end-user performance. Our platform enables frontend teams to do their best work." isn't actually from the linked press release, it's from the home page https://vercel.com/

TBH I think the linked blog is targeted at a dev audience, and if it isn't then "They don’t care if an application is CSR, SSR, SSG, etc. as long as their end-user is delighted." (with those acryonyms linking to a Next docs page) is probably not supposed to be there.

Re: Vercel raise $40M Series B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're supposed to use other hosted database vendor or your own database server if you need it. I don't think they offer any database service.

What’s the recommended DB host? Does the Next community have a go to?

I've had success with FaunaDB, simple and cheap to get started and you get a GraphQL endpoint as well as their query language (FQL).
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