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Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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I mean, I don’t have any moral problems with it. But any time you’ve got one entity opening a bunch of LLCs, I think it qualifies as sketchy.

Hahaha definitely a red-flag if you ever work for a place that plays the LLC game. Wish my younger self knew that

Out of curiosity, did anything particularly bad happen due to working for a place playing this game? Asking for a friend..

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

#92
So do they actually use these addresses for something or are they simply stockpiling them?

Some jurisdictions have laws regarding real estate that, if it not be used for about a decade, it becomes legal to squat.

This is primarily in densely populated jurisdictions where real estate is a scarcity and the government doesn't want it to go unused.

A similar structure could actually be made for IPv4 addresses.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

#93
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Well, yes, legacy. But, > …a bunch of lazy network admins in NA and the EU that don't want to learn the new tech… That’s a cheap shot, and it’s not called for. Network admins are paid to make the networks run. Anything else is less important. If your IPv6 network experiences some small problems, well, you’re going to hold on to IPv4 because small network problems can mean big inefficiencies or lost sales. Just a few…

Definitely. At our company our network provider decided that it's better for us to use ipv6 from now on. For one day the customer support couldn't figure out what was wrong with our network. They even suggested that the recent heavy rain might have damaged the lines. Finally after a few struggles they mentioned in one sentence that they switched our region to ipv6 only, and that was when we, the customer, realized wh…

One can really clean house if they understand networking well and pay close attention to what the WAN is doing. On the flip side, one can easily be ruined if the WAN is not considered during infrastructure planning.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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I used to own 10k IP addresses that I sold as proxy servers to internet marketers. I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. I had no idea what I was doing and eventually shut down the company, but damn, I wish I at least kept control of those things. If you want to see some sketchy shit, look deeply into what the VPN companies are doing.

What are they doing?

Industry leaders like NordVPN and ExpressVPN may engage in P2P routing (to use residential IPs especially) to unblock services like Netflix and Disney+ [1].

HolaVPN unapologetically does this too [2].

All of this is discounting the new-age dVPNs like Orchid (not quite the Tor replacement that was promised? [3]) and Mysterium [4].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21664692

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9614993

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15576457

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14331049

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

#96
A small nitpick: They don't "own" these addresses, the regional internet registries (ARIN, RIPE, APNIC etc.) loan them to Amazon so they can use them, they could take them away again if AWS would do something that's against the RIRs' policies.

We also have a single /22 block of addresses from RIPE (we were one of the last companies to get such a block in 2019), so far we haven't made use of it though as it's still a bit tricky to find providers that will announce your addresses (without asking a hefty amount of money for it).

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

#97

I used to own 10k IP addresses that I sold as proxy servers to internet marketers. I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. I had no idea what I was doing and eventually shut down the company, but damn, I wish I at least kept control of those things. If you want to see some sketchy shit, look deeply into what the VPN companies are doing.

> I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college.

Lord man, what kind of bills were these?

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

#98
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Yes and no. > "try to buy them all" buy all of AWS's? Then: no, it would cost less. buy from open market? Then: yes, It would cost more

It works the same both ways. If you go into a market and try to buy lots of something, it drives the price up because you're increasing demand and removing supply. If you go into a market and try to sell lots of something, it drives the price down because you're increasing supply and removing demand. AWS don't obviously have an incentive to sell IP addresses for substantially below market value, so I don't see why bu…

> AWS don't obviously have an incentive to sell ...

You just invalided yourself. What do you think my point is?

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

#99

A small nitpick: They don't "own" these addresses, the regional internet registries (ARIN, RIPE, APNIC etc.) loan them to Amazon so they can use them, they could take them away again if AWS would do something that's against the RIRs' policies. We also have a single /22 block of addresses from RIPE (we were one of the last companies to get such a block in 2019), so far we haven't made use of it though as it's still a…

Did you register a ASN?

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

#100
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What are they doing?

I think there was a lawsuit against one of them recently. But the gist of it is they’re opening a bunch of LLCs and registering their IPs with ARIN. When you “geolocate” an IP, you’re really just looking up the registered info for that IP’s ASN in the ARIN/RIPE database.

> When you “geolocate” an IP, you’re really just looking up the registered info for that IP’s ASN in the ARIN/RIPE database.

That's pretty much the whole business model of VPNs.

That, and secure encrypted traffic.

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