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Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#91
post #65

Whatsapp is extremely dominant in my country, but I keep encouraging friends and acquaintances to install Telegram. As far as I know, there won't be anything preventing FB from geoblocking European users when the company eventually gets in some serious trouble, like it just did in the US.

Why telegram and not signal?

Because Signal is virtually unknown here. Telegram has a small, but growing following. I'm aware that Telegram uses homegrown encryption which is not ideal.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#92
post #48

"But senators, we can't break up these three unrelated services because they all use the same messaging infrastructure!"

I laughed at this because I thought the same thing. Conspiratorial or no, that line of argument won't fly. Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

> Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

That doesn't make any sense to me. I would expect different applications from the same company to share the same underlying infrastructure. Whether or not they are a monopoly is orthogonal to the issue of integration.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#93
post #62

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Signal can also function as SMS client on Android, so it's easy to communicate with those who have Signal or use plain SMS; besides additional hardening against SMS based exploits.

I wish they didn't discard the encryption on SMS, at least there's still Silence.

Was it for exporting SMS to other clients? Although I don't know why it cannot be done with a primary password.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#94

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Well my mom knows how to use WhatsApp. All the women in her knitting club are using it to stay in touch with their grandkids. She probably doesn't know what an SMS is (those are those things her bank sends her, right?).

Should be easy – SMS it's the "default" messaging app from a phone, isn't it?

@ThePadawan Got it now! WhatsApp did a great job in tricking users with their interface. No other pun intended, but it fits perfectly in the context: "What's the App?"

I remember I missed a few calls from my mom recently, and she asked me if I noticed her missed calls. I didn't have any missed calls as she was calling me through WhatsApp, but in such a way that she thought is the "regular" way of calling. I explained, now she knows. Not sure where this is going...

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#96
post #65

Whatsapp is extremely dominant in my country, but I keep encouraging friends and acquaintances to install Telegram. As far as I know, there won't be anything preventing FB from geoblocking European users when the company eventually gets in some serious trouble, like it just did in the US.

Why telegram and not signal?

At least Telegram can be used on a desktop without installing it on a spyphone (though without e2e encryption).

I would say "why not Matrix?".

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#97
post #76

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Signal needs to up its game. The experience is very far from being as polished as Telegram.

I wish Telegram secret conversations carried over to multiple devices. This is a thing I don't have to worry about with Signal or WhatsApp.

that tells you a little something about how their encryption keys work :)

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#98

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I laughed at this because I thought the same thing. Conspiratorial or no, that line of argument won't fly. Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

IIRC this is exactly what MS claimed about bundling IE : it was tied into the kernel.

I don't think MS said it was bundled in the kernel, but it is true that parts of IE are tied into the OS (or at least used to be) in the form of mshtml and jscript.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#99
post #24

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A lot more than with SMS. You can send someone an SMS but they are not going to respond because either they cost money or they have some tiny allowance of them.

What is the limit of SMS allowance on your network?

There are cheap postpaid packages with only data (a lot, >10 GB) and ~100 minutes, SMS is paid per message.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#100
post #91

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Why telegram and not signal?

Because Signal is virtually unknown here. Telegram has a small, but growing following. I'm aware that Telegram uses homegrown encryption which is not ideal.

Telegram doesn't use any encryption for groups. It uses encryption only in 1:1 chats when you specifically request it.
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