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Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by brazzy »

_Microft wrote: post #15

User to Dev: the memory usage is excessive. Dev with 256 GB RAM to User: WFM I would not be surprised if a lot of these problems could be traced back to developers having above-average network connections and super beefy computers. Combine that with fresh or minimal installs while testing the software, without lots of data that accumulated over month or years of use and in consequence they experience their products a…

That idea is very common, and very silly.

Who says that if they experienced the software the same as a normal user, they would automatically improve its performance?

This may apply for parts of open source development, where developers work on stuff for their own use. But even they may have other priorities.

And as a commercial developer, your backlog is constantly full. You may have some leeway to choose what you work on, but there is absolutely no guarantee it will be performance, just because you personally experience bad performance.

The way to get performance improvements is to make it a business priority to measure and improve performance.

And for that, it is absolutely not necessary for developers to be slower in everything they do, just so they can experience their software's performance "realistically".

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by citrus1330 »

ubercow13 wrote: post #50
sorenjan wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which large companies aren't bad at web frontend? UX seems to always be far down on the list or priorities for modern websites.

I find Github and Amazon's main site to be pretty reasonable in comparison.

Really? Criticizing Google's frontends but praising GitHub and Amazon? If I had to pick a large tech company with a bad frontend Amazon would be top of the list. GitHub is not great either. I guess this kind of thing is just subjective though.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by hedora »

blakesterz wrote: post #6
api wrote: post #2

Atlassian Jira is dog slow too. Drives me nuts.

Atlassian is one of those places that I just can't believe has gotten so widely used. Every single thing I've used that is an Atlassian product drives me nuts. I really don't understand how anyone at any point looked at Jira or Confluence or anything Atlassian puts out and said "yep, this is the best version of this thing I've seen, sign me up". I've been using JIRA for years now, and it never gets any easier or bett…

You’re probably using it wrong. Click your mouse on a non-interactive UI component and press “.”

Now you can find everything you want. You’re welcome.

I agree jira is terrible. Other bug trackers I’ve used are somehow worse. Does anyone have anything they can recommend with a straight face? (Github issues are missing too many features for me. Jira’s sql-style language is just too useful.)

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by jcelerier »

sorenjan wrote: post #40
ubercow13 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is just that. Google is just shockingly bad at web frontend. All their properties are terrible, except maybe Youtube which I find quite agreeable. For example I just made a search on google.com, the most popular website in the world, and it can't even fit the content into this reasonably sized window [1]. [1] https://i.imgur.com/ER5yfbd.png

Which large companies aren't bad at web frontend? UX seems to always be far down on the list or priorities for modern websites.

> Which large companies aren't bad at web frontend? UX seems to always be far down on the list or priorities for modern websites.

which web frontend is good ? (except HN)

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by brazzy »

levosmetalo wrote: post #23
_Microft wrote: post #15

User to Dev: the memory usage is excessive. Dev with 256 GB RAM to User: WFM I would not be surprised if a lot of these problems could be traced back to developers having above-average network connections and super beefy computers. Combine that with fresh or minimal installs while testing the software, without lots of data that accumulated over month or years of use and in consequence they experience their products a…

Why is everyone assuming that just because someone works for Google has to be competent? Solving algorithmic puzzles is not an indicator or actual technical skills. To me, it looks like a work of incompetent developers led by incompetent technical managers upon requirements of clueless and ignorant product managers.

Slow software doesn't indicate a lack of skill.

It indicates that speed is not a priority for management.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by simonw »

citrus1330 wrote: post #92
ubercow13 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find Github and Amazon's main site to be pretty reasonable in comparison.

Really? Criticizing Google's frontends but praising GitHub and Amazon? If I had to pick a large tech company with a bad frontend Amazon would be top of the list. GitHub is not great either. I guess this kind of thing is just subjective though.

What do you find lacking about GitHub's frontend?

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by hedora »

pabl0rg wrote: post #4

Meanwhile AWS uses google’s GWT to great effect

AWS console is by far the slowest thing on my machine, web based or not.

I don’t use GCP or many other Google products though. I’m kind of shocked google managed to ship a framework slower than GWT. I always assumed anyone that used it for a few seconds would say “well, that was a fundamentally bad idea”, and not double down on whatever the heck Google was thinking.

Re: Why is the Google Cloud UI so slow?

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Post by wg0 »

I use AWS and GCP regularly and Azure sometimes as well. GCP is too damn slow by comparison not that others too would win any industry awards for speed but they are usable. On GCP however, the GKE screens are damn slow with spinner spinning for so long that I started to doubt my internet connection.

UI of a IaaS (or PaaS) certainly is a complex matter and I guess few iterations down the road, GCP might perform better. May be load lazy load the UI functionality (JS) on demand or something.

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