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Re: I Am Not Fat

#91

Post by dirtyid »

pizza234 wrote: post #30
stevebmark wrote: post #12

If he sticks with it, it's going to work. All starch diets bring people to healthy weights. I've been doing (mostly) ketosis for years and I still know his all potato diet can work for weight loss. It's just going to be a very… tasteless… few weeks/months. Your poop is going to be unpleasant too. It's always interesting to me that people can succeed on extreme diets like this rather than adjust their lifestyles to wh…

> It's always interesting to me that people can succeed on extreme diets like this rather than adjust their lifestyles to whole food home cooked healthy eating. Like almost no one can tolerate ketosis but they can do extreme diets like day+ fasting or fad diets. They don't actually succeed. They succeed for a short time, because of the motivation rush, and will post about their success; then they will lose the motiva…

While Nutrition science is kind of a joke and you can find papers supporting any position, this is a summary of "Long-term weight-loss maintenance: a meta-analysis of US studies":

>People on a very low energy diet (VLED) were more successful at dieting that people on a hypocaloric balanced diet (HBD) which is basically a normal diet with slightly lowered calories to allow for weight loss. The average weight-loss maintenance on a VLED was about 15 pounds (29% of the total weight they had lost), compared to about 4.5 pounds (only 17% of the total weight they had lost) on a HBD. Basically, very low energy diets result in more weight loss and you’re likely to keep more of it off.

Study itself:

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/74/5/579/4737391

Summary quote from:

http://gregnuckols.com/2013/06/04/slow-and-steady-weight-los...

Whose generally has good reputation in the science based fitness circles.

Personally, I endorse this method.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by coldtea »

lmilcin wrote: post #77
throwaway201103 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eating potatoes for two weeks is not going to seriously unbalance him (any more than he already is at 330lbs). For someone who is a habitual overeater, a varied balanced healthy diet may have too many opportunities to cheat. Sometimes you need an extreme change to snap out of old habits.

You haven't read the conclusion: "I’m off to eat more potatoes!" Listen, if you change your diet drastically it is possible that just reducing amount of salt in your diet is going to cause drop in amount of water in your body and reduce your body mass.

>You haven't read the conclusion: "I’m off to eat more potatoes!"

Yes. This is his first day of a 2 week potato-only diet. So?

>Listen, if you change your diet drastically it is possible that just reducing amount of salt in your diet is going to cause drop in amount of water in your body and reduce your body mass.

If only that wasn't covered already in the book/diet...

Re: I Am Not Fat

#93

Post by coldtea »

lmilcin wrote: post #76
Mashimo wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just for two weeks though.

Probably you haven't read the conclusion: "I’m off to eat more potatoes!"

Probably you haven't read the post (nor the original diet/book).

It's an account of the first day of his two week diet.

Re: I Am Not Fat

#94

Post by TheGallopedHigh »

ngngngng wrote: post #19

I honestly wish I had an appetite pushing me towards caloric surplus. I have difficulty intaking anything about maintenance calories, so I stay skinny. If I COULD eat a surplus, I would just hit the weights more than I currently do. Compound lifts every day. Throw in some strongman exercises. Being able to eat enough to get fat is a super power, people just don't know where to channel it. This also requires virtually…

Protein shakes with peanut butter is an easy way to load up on calories and protein.

Re: I Am Not Fat

#95

Post by aogaili »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #81
aogaili wrote: post #61

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It has carbs and it is usually recommended to consume before strength training workout to fuel the body. I've fasted for 35 days and lost 15 kilos in 2 weeks, I think I know how to lose weight effectively. Here is my data https://i.ibb.co/rydPXDR/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-3-07-52-P...

Being able to rapidly lose weight and then re-gain it does not give the impression that you know how to lose weight “effectively”. That’s how standard crash diets work.

The strategy I used was based on the research by Dr. Jason Fung and the book Why we get fat

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8727466-why-we-get-fat

Also the countless many youtube videos on fasting how it got results. It is really hard to argue with facts.

Re: I Am Not Fat

#97

Post by mellosouls »

coldtea wrote: post #90
mellosouls wrote: post #53

Worth remembering Penn Jillette used to be a champion for obesity and not taking responsibility for yourself - I'm thinking particularly of the "Bullshit" episode where he attempted to corral science into justifying his own condition, undermining the whole premise of the series. Perhaps he has issued a mea culpa. As he himself says though, this is not a man to follow on this subject. Best wishes to the author here th…

> Worth remembering Penn Jillette used to be a champion for obesity and not taking responsibility for yourself It's easy to do (and probably, one good way to enjoy yourself however it is) when you're younger... After an age though, the consequences of obesity get worse than the fun of eating...

True, but he was about 50 when he was making "scientific" programmes saying being fat was down to genetics and sneering at skinny vegetarians.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by renewiltord »

qz2 wrote: post #83
renewiltord wrote: post #74

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This is classic Hardship Theology which rests upon the tenet that things must induce some hardship in order for there to be benefit. Reality has no such restriction.

You’re right. But it does have unexpected side effects and other consequences.

There are side effects certainly but they're well understood. Many are undesirable, as you no doubt are alluding to, but I believe they are rarely unexpected.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by lazyasciiart »

aogaili wrote: post #95
lazyasciiart wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being able to rapidly lose weight and then re-gain it does not give the impression that you know how to lose weight “effectively”. That’s how standard crash diets work.

The strategy I used was based on the research by Dr. Jason Fung and the book Why we get fat https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8727466-why-we-get-fat Also the countless many youtube videos on fasting how it got results. It is really hard to argue with facts.

The facts are that gazillions of people every year go on a crash diet with massive lifestyle change and lose significant amounts of weight, congratulations on joining this years cohort, and 90% of them will gain it back within two years of starting, because “how do I lose weight” is not actually a question people struggle with, it’s “how do I lose weight and keep it off forever”.

Re: I Am Not Fat

#100

Post by lmilcin »

jart wrote: post #87
lmilcin wrote: post #7

This is sad. In so many ways. People, please, do not copy. If your aim is to loose weight you absolutely have to provide a varied, balanced, healthy diet. If nothing else, learning to provide it without calorie restriction is already going to help. Your body has to extract what it needs from less food so the food has to be more rich in quality content. Also eating only carbs will mean opening a can of other problems.…

Who are we to tell him what his body needs? Diets like these are usually more psychology than science. What science teaches us that the human body is remarkably resilient at survival and it doesn't say much about lifestyle. What this guy wants to do doesn't sound all that different from the bread/potato/rice diets most humans subsisted on until the twentieth century. So probably harmless. I believe in encouraging peo…

I have no issue with people doing whatever they want to themselves.

I have issue with people advocating uninformed and frequently dangerous practices and spreading that misinformation on the internet.

There exists no magical diet. This is just cranking dials on your body and see what effects it has with regards to your weight, without understanding what it actually does.

Obesity is a symptom of unhealthy diet. The solution to this is a healthy diet.

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