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Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon

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What M1 giveth, Electron taketh away. Sigh.

Hang on, I use Visual Studio Code daily and it’s really fast? Certainly compared to XCode or Jet Brains IDEs.

Visual Studio Code is fast on startup and that's it. It chokes on million LOC project while Eclipse and Intellij work fine.

Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon

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Hang on, I use Visual Studio Code daily and it’s really fast? Certainly compared to XCode or Jet Brains IDEs.

That's something I wonder too. What VS Code does right that, let's say Slack, fails on?

Parts are written in C/++ no?

Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon

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Mostly I would just want Electron to disappear overnight.

If you don't want Electron apps, don't use them. It's not like they would exist without Electron. The people who build Electron apps are, for the most part, people who wouldn't build an app otherwise.

> The people who build Electron apps are, for the most part, people who wouldn't build an app otherwise.

Would that be so terrible? I’m completely fine with having less software, if that means having better software.

> If you don't want Electron apps, don't use them. It's not like they would exist without Electron.

I don’t have a choice. I’m forced to use Teams for work. I need to restart my MacBook after every videocall.

Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon

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It's mostly due to the fact that unlike Microsoft, Apple is doing a complete migration to ARM. The developers have to migrate to ARM because they cannot just tell users to buy x86 macs like they could do for windows

This sounds correct to my knowledge, but I can’t help but wonder if there’s a substantive difference between the Microsoft and Apple ARM transitions that’s not obvious to me.

From my perspective as I weigh up whether to stop buying my staff x86 Macs and get them these new M1s, it's this rosetta layer that really appeals to me. From what I can tell so far not only are they going to be able to run any software that isn't updated for apple silicon, which a lot seems to be, they're going to be able to run it just as fast as before.

The idea before that we'd immediately switch over seemed mad, but based on what I'm seeing there is a good chance that's what's going to happen.

Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon

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Indeed, can’t decide if I’m happy or sad to see this news.

The alternative is Rosetta mode. It's not like Slack is going to write a native app all of a sudden.

But you can use the iOS Slack app, which is native!

Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon

#96

For some reason this announcement gets displayed to me in a unholy mix of French and English: > Electron 11.0.0 est disponible ! It includes upgrades to Chromium 87, V8 8.7, and Node.js 12.18.3. We've added support for Apple silicon, and general improvements. Lisez la suite ci-dessous pour plus de détails ! > La team Electron est excitée d'annoncer la sortie de Electron 11.0.0 ! Vous pouvez l'installer avec npm via n…

It does the same for me, but for Polish. I think those posts somehow use per-sentence i18n strings, so if a generic sentence sentence was already translated they will use it. I agree it looks a bit weird, though :).

Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon

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I installed windows NT in a virtual machine for kicks a few months back. Then installed office 97 on it. If you do that and open slack immediately afterwards it feels painful instantly. The difference in how it feels is quite scary.

Partly we can thank this to the "throw more hardware at it" mentality and "lowering the barrier to entry" where noobs create the stuff a lot of us use. People can say all they want that it is good to lower the barrier entry, but that comes with a price. The price that others have to pay when we use their crapware. As long as it is not mandatory though, it is fine, but when it becomes mandatory, it becomes an issue.

Its your choice to use others "crapware". The price it comes with is all the abuse "noobs" have to take for offering their solutions for free. You don't like HTML frontends, thats sweet, then make your own alternative with Qt or winforms.

There is NO "mandatory" electron apps... But there is some great software made with electron that has become very popular.

I am confident if something has been made with electron, there is native alternatives out there. Don't like slack? Then use IRC.

Don't like my joystick to keyboard/mouse remapper with an electron frontend? Then don't, use one of the many alternatives (Too bad if they don't provide what you are looking for and no one of them seems to be able to modulate output in order to emulate analog controls. But at least it was written by a pro!)

Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon

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Hang on, I use Visual Studio Code daily and it’s really fast? Certainly compared to XCode or Jet Brains IDEs.

Apples to oranges comparison. VS Code is a text editor whereas Xcode and Jetbrains are IDEs. The real comparison should be with Sublime Text vs VS Code. Sublime Text blows VSCode out of water while opening the same project folder. Here's a naive comparison ~/workspace/iOS Project(develop) time subl . ________________________________________________________ Executed in 75.46 millis fish external usr time 21.45 millis…

That's not a fair comparison either. VSCode does way more than Sublime Text. I actually found VSCode closer to Intellij than to Sublime Text.

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Indeed, can’t decide if I’m happy or sad to see this news.

The alternative is Rosetta mode. It's not like Slack is going to write a native app all of a sudden.

Maybe iOS Slack is available on M1? It is native.

Re: Electron 11.0 released with support for Apple Silicon

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That's something I wonder too. What VS Code does right that, let's say Slack, fails on?

Slack is a messy one page app developed by PHP programmers and vscode is open source and actually made by competent people.

Slack is really weird. It seems like they would have the resources to do native applications. I can't fault anyone for doing an Electron app as a demo, prototype, MVP, that's seems completely reasonable.

What I don't get is why they don't want to make a native macOS client, or Windows client. For Linux I get that they don't necessarily know if it should be GTK, QT, should they adopt KDE standards or Gnome, something else maybe? I can see why they would like Electron in that case.

For something like the Mac... They could do a fantastic client, it would use very little memory, play nice with the OS and be fast. Their users would notice and love it.

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