There will be a day when all apps on a mac will only be installable from the app store. Developers will be forced to buy macs and subscribe to Apple’s developer program to support it. Customers will be trained to not care. And HN Apple fanboys and fangirls will try to justify why this is a Good Thing(TM).
Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
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Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#92While other posts on this topic are too alarmist, this one is way too Apple apologetic for my taste. * There is no information on how often the validation happens. All this investigation concludes is that it doesn't happen when closing and immediately re-opening an app. Is it every week? Every reboot? Every hour? If it's less, that's essentially the same as doing it on every launch. * There is no justification for se…
Wait. Is it not common knowledge that Android and iOS log every application you open down to the exact millisecond you open and close them? Is it not common knowledge how telemetry works for the operating systems? They generally batch up a bunch of logs like this, encrypt them, compress them, and then send them to the mothership (hopefully when you're on WiFi).
And no, it's not widely known or documented - there is no good description of what telemetry exists or contains on iOS that I know of.
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Learn about Big Sur(veillance). You can't block telemetry and it bypasses any VPN.
Well, you can block it. You need disable SIP and edit a plist.
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel Apple has done privacy well in so many cases, that the way this works is really disappointing :-/
Apple has done a fantastic PR job regarding privacy. I am more skeptical about the status of actual privacy given their iMessage situation and now this.
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#95There will be a day when all apps on a mac will only be installable from the app store. Developers will be forced to buy macs and subscribe to Apple’s developer program to support it. Customers will be trained to not care. And HN Apple fanboys and fangirls will try to justify why this is a Good Thing(TM).
We’ve been hearing that for years, yet it hasn’t happened. Apple seems to recognize the value of the Mac as an general computing platform.
Phoned signing verification is another thing that is a precursor to distribution to Apple-only distribution.
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#96OCSP doesn't seem like the right protocol for this. Apple should probably just ship you a list of hashes of revoked certificates once a day, and should do the check locally. (Obviously, the global certificate database is too big to send to every user, but Apple should be able to determine the subset of certificates they trust, and the even smaller subset of those that are revoked or compromised.) To me, it sounds lik…
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple has done a fantastic PR job regarding privacy. I am more skeptical about the status of actual privacy given their iMessage situation and now this.
And their participation in PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%...
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
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Their iMessage situation?
They backup the private key to iCloud unless you manually disable backups. So even though iMessage is advertised as E2E encrypted, for the vast majority of users, Apple can read each and every message. (And even if you disable backups, Apple can still read most if not all of your messages, because the persons on the other side of the conversations have not disabled backups)
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
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It's worth noting that on ios you can never block anything - just have to put up with it.
... and that apple wants to merge its operating systems
They want to provide a consistent user experience across their ecosystem. Not the same thing.
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel Apple has done privacy well in so many cases, that the way this works is really disappointing :-/
A better privacy solution would be to sync revocation lists every so often (and, if you must, right before opening a new app). Is there any privacy-preserving reason to not go this direction? How often would you expect certificates to be rescinded? You could also use a bloom filter to significantly reduce the false-positive rate.