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Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by adamnemecek »

capableweb wrote: post #85
adamnemecek wrote: post #31

I've been working on an IDE for music composition. I'll be launching soon http://ngrid.io I setup a discord channel the project https://discord.gg/a5ttYuG

I feel like you always appear to plug your vaporware every time any music production tool comes up on the front page. I would be OK with that if what you're linking actually had some content on it or we could actually play with it. But the last 10 times I've seen you mention it, it's been without any details what so ever and without any ability to actually see/use it. Might actually been more than 10 times now when I…

I don't "appear" to plug it, I plug it. Are you the person in charge of what's OK?

Why do you think it's vaporware? How long do you think it takes to write a DAW?

Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by pmarin »

jancsika wrote: post #86
sph wrote: post #4

As a UI and UX nerd, one thing I really love about the digital music production scene is that software companies writing DAWs and VSTs know their audience and strive to give power users all the tools they need to be as productive as possible. Knobs, curves, programming (Max for Live), integration with external tools. In other fields of software development instead we dumb everything down to the lowest denominator, an…

> Knobs Can someone explain to me the point of a GUI knob? Is it just the analogy to physical knobs on mixers that makes people comfortable with them in GUIs?

It is just skeuomorphism but sometimes musicians bind those knobs to real midi instruments.

Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by throw_m239339 »

Minor workflow improvements, but frankly not enough to get me pay for the update. The audio comping is nice. What I'd like to do is being able to run live as a VST inside Cubase, like FLstudio for instance. Cubase handles most of what I need for production and does it way better than Live, Live is more a creative tool than anything else, especially when it comes to complex studio setups with multiple monitoring, it is where Live completely fails.

Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by galaxyLogic »

iron0013 wrote: post #80
galaxyLogic wrote: post #22

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Thank you for the advice. But even that sounds difficult for a novice like me. How do I "adjust warp settings" so that two tempos are the same? And I don't want to just have the same tempo, I want to align specific beats. I know there is a forum and documentation but if all my time goes to trying to figure out technical solutions then all my creativity goes into finding technical solutions, rather than solving artist…

What you want to accomplish here is one of the most basic tasks in Live. If you can’t commit to learning at least this small thing you might as well not even attempt to use Live.

> If you can’t commit to learning at least this small thing

The point is I don't know it is a "small thing". I don't even know if it is possible. I don't want to commit to learning something that may not be possible (as far as I know at the moment). And I don't know where I should even start.

Can you post a link that explains how to accomplish this "most basic task"?

Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by the-dude »

drcongo wrote: post #26
sph wrote: post #4

As a UI and UX nerd, one thing I really love about the digital music production scene is that software companies writing DAWs and VSTs know their audience and strive to give power users all the tools they need to be as productive as possible. Knobs, curves, programming (Max for Live), integration with external tools. In other fields of software development instead we dumb everything down to the lowest denominator, an…

FruityLoops! But yes, I agree with all of this.

https://learningmusic.ableton.com/

Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by packetlost »

robenkleene wrote: post #87
packetlost wrote: post #17

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You'd end up with GarageBand. It all depends on the target audience. If you have a piece of software meant to be used by experts, it should be powerful enough that it doesn't restrict them. I disagree that software has a tendency to dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator, simplifying and automating things is the purpose of software in the first place, but there's a huge amount of software out there tha…

It's actually amazing how consistent the pattern is for professional creative apps, I did a study of market leaders across various industries[1] (based on the best data I could fine), and every single one supports some form of extension. Just doing a quick eye-ball glance, and I'd guess every single one of the apps I looked at also supports some form of scripting. (This is only tangentially relevant to this thread, b…

Anyone who works in a specialized field (or hobbyists) can tell you the iPad will never be a "pro" device for any serious work outside of art/digital painting. iOS is simply just too limiting, and Apple intentionally neuters the App store to protect the lowest common denominator from shooting themselves in the foot with malware.

Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by throw_m239339 »

xriddle wrote: post #13

Not to thread-jack, but are there any worthy open-sourced competitors to Ableton? I'm just getting into DAWs and was thinking of buying Ableton Live but haven't had the time to explore/compare other options. My musician buddies all tell me not to waste my time and just buy it.

free but not opensource:

Cakewalk, MPC Beats, Tracktion Waveform,...

Usually Live Lite the free edition (8 tracks) is bundled with $50 MIDI keyboards, and is sufficient to get started with music production, recording and adding a few virtual instruments at least.

Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by timdaub »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #68
timdaub wrote: post #28

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Heeey, glad you asked! I'm not full-time on this, but I'm trying to build an OSS DAW. Here is a first tiny demo: https://timdaub.github.io/wasm-synth/ I also wrote about it: https://timdaub.github.io/2020/02/19/wasm-synth/

I'm not sure what you think a DAW is, but typically it tends to involve the possibility of dealing with large numbers of tracks and vast amounts of audio. How do you propose to do this in a browser context?

At this point I don't propose any design. But I'm confident it can be done.

You seem to know the challenges ahead. Mind sharing?

Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by timdaub »

mattmar96 wrote: post #69
timdaub wrote: post #28

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Heeey, glad you asked! I'm not full-time on this, but I'm trying to build an OSS DAW. Here is a first tiny demo: https://timdaub.github.io/wasm-synth/ I also wrote about it: https://timdaub.github.io/2020/02/19/wasm-synth/

Just had a lot of fun playing this! Thanks for sharing. I've been working on a wavetable synth VST, but also have been looking at web APIs to do something similar to this. Thanks for the write up.

Hey thanks! I was actually experimenting with web GL to build a similar instrument as Ableton's wave table! But I'm not full time, so it's taking forever...

Re: Ableton Live 11

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Post by monetus »

jancsika wrote: post #86
sph wrote: post #4

As a UI and UX nerd, one thing I really love about the digital music production scene is that software companies writing DAWs and VSTs know their audience and strive to give power users all the tools they need to be as productive as possible. Knobs, curves, programming (Max for Live), integration with external tools. In other fields of software development instead we dumb everything down to the lowest denominator, an…

> Knobs Can someone explain to me the point of a GUI knob? Is it just the analogy to physical knobs on mixers that makes people comfortable with them in GUIs?

Unlike a number box, they show the range of potential values and contextualize the current value - similar to a slider but more often those are linear when knobs are non-linear. Just my 2¢
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