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Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by mschuster91 »

choko wrote: post #58
mschuster91 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until 2017 this actually was a rule (not a legally binding, just the "honor code") for media, but this got changed after the AfD and other Nazis whined for years that police and media would not "tell the truth" about migrant crimes, "suppress" or "hide" them ( https://www.migazin.de/2017/03/24/presserat-aendert-richtlin... ). A very sad day for our society.

Are you saying that facts should be suppressed because someone might use them the wrong way? Serious question.

Journalism should report the relevant facts to a case. And the nationality/ethnicity/skin color rarely is a relevant fact in a criminal case, with the notable exception of racist-motivated or ethnic conflict (e.g. Kurds vs Turks) crimes.

For "everyday" crimes, think of pub brawls, petty theft, robberies, sexual misconduct of all forms, the ethnicity is absolutely irrelevant and its mention by police/media is only likely to further racial hatred.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by johnwalkr »

sschueller wrote: post #2

Why is Pfizer always mentioned in the news when it is BioNTech and Pfizer is "just" a partner? Just as the Chinese drugmaker Fosun is. Sure credit goes to both but this "Dream Team" is BioNTech.

I feel like there’s a threshold for fame that needs to be met for giving credit in the English-language, mainstream media. A famous name like Stephen Hawking would get directly credited for a result. A less famous researcher’s result would get credited to their school (eg MIT). Outside of well known western names and institutions, the result would get credited to the country (eg China or Japan).

The exception is underdog stories.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by davrosthedalek »

jansan wrote: post #64
tyingq wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is funny, but so it's clear, it's the name of the street...nothing specific to BioNTech.

Maybe the name was chosen specifically for that area when they were trying to attract startup companies?

Not really. It's on of the older streets in Mainz, and is named like this as far as I can think back (I'm 41). It might have to do something with "Rheingold", but I couldn't find an explanation for the name, and google is not helpful with so many articles about Biontech and the name of the street.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by davrosthedalek »

jansan wrote: post #60
geff82 wrote: post #10

The headquarter of their company is only 10 miles from my home, in a university town, full of young people. So blessed that maybe a part of the solution to this crisis comes from "my" region.

That may help offsetting the burden brought to Mainz by having Karneval and ZDF.

What do you mean burden by having Karneval? These are fighting words, my friend!

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by usrusr »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #9
akie wrote: post #5

This Covid vaccine was created by a German company founded by the children of Turkish immigrants. In this time of open racism and public hostility to immigration, this needs to be pointed out and repeated. It was children of Turkish immigrants to Germany.

Is that really relevant? Plenty of technological breakthroughs are made by immigrants/children of immigrants, and everyone on this site already knows this.

The most visible group of Turkish immigrants are people whose ancestors came from underdeveloped backwaters of Turkey and who have effectively formed a bit of a conservative time capsule. When progressive urban Turks happen to come to Germany (this is rare) that group seems quite alien to them. Surely not as alien as Amish would seem to modern day Swiss or Germans (the German Turkish time capsule is much younger and clearly doesn't rule out technology consumption), but it's the same kind of disconnect.

That group is highly visible because all the others basically blend in with the natives, which creates the illusion that they are representative of all Turks. That's why pointing out successful individuals who are clear counterexamples to the antiprogressive time capsule is highly relevant. It can help natives to stop assuming that everybody with a Turkish sounding name is a time capsule victim until proven otherwise and it can inspire those at risk of growing up to be the next generation of time capsuleers.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by cblconfederate »

tinus_hn wrote: post #56
AussieWog93 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that really relevant? Plenty of technological breakthroughs are made by immigrants/children of immigrants, and everyone on this site already knows this.

It’s as relevant as a black US president. Or a female Vice President.

aka identity politics

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by davrosthedalek »

choko wrote: post #57
akie wrote: post #5

This Covid vaccine was created by a German company founded by the children of Turkish immigrants. In this time of open racism and public hostility to immigration, this needs to be pointed out and repeated. It was children of Turkish immigrants to Germany.

It doesn't matter where they are from. This was the work of a group of dedicated individuals working together. Their national origins are irrelevant. If you want to end the "open racism", focus more on individuals and less on groups.

I disagree. It breaks the false narrative of "immigrants are just a burden for the society".

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by cblconfederate »

colaclanth wrote: post #59
m0zg wrote: post #54

Everyone is excited about "90% efficacy", but nobody mentions the rate of side effects. Hmm. If this is injected into several billion people, twice into each person, wouldn't you want to know at least an estimate of the ratio before you do that? Especially with mandatory vaccination looming on the horizon.

do you really think the thousands of scientists working on this just forgot to take into account the harm caused by the vaccine in comparison to covid?

i know we all trust US and european science more than others, but we need to be careful with press releases until proper research is published. e.g. remdesivir is generally a fiasco yet widely publicized

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by rq1 »

kreft wrote: post #88
akie wrote: post #5

This Covid vaccine was created by a German company founded by the children of Turkish immigrants. In this time of open racism and public hostility to immigration, this needs to be pointed out and repeated. It was children of Turkish immigrants to Germany.

Seems rather convenient to focus only on a positive exception and look away when the news paints a less rosy picture of the aggregate. For instance, a majority of Turks in Germany voted for Erdogan.

> Seems rather convenient to focus only on a positive exception and look away when the news paints a less rosy picture of the aggregate.

It seems like an exception because the news paints a less rosy picture of the aggregate. Stupid.

Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”

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Post by davrosthedalek »

kreft wrote: post #88
akie wrote: post #5

This Covid vaccine was created by a German company founded by the children of Turkish immigrants. In this time of open racism and public hostility to immigration, this needs to be pointed out and repeated. It was children of Turkish immigrants to Germany.

Seems rather convenient to focus only on a positive exception and look away when the news paints a less rosy picture of the aggregate. For instance, a majority of Turks in Germany voted for Erdogan.

Rest assured that there is also a large fraction of Turks in Germany who have a fiery hate for Erdogan. I personally know some of them. But yeah, it's troubling whenever wanna-be dictators get so many votes. Do you know if this percentage is "of all Turks" or "of all who voted"? I could image that those who don't like him simply didn't vote.
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