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Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#91

If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? I really think adding little adjectives like that undermines the respectedness of the NYT

These are not mutually exclusive...

There is no doubt that Trump's presidency was tumultuous and there is no doubt that the race was indeed quite close.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#92

This is getting flagged every 2 minutes. What is going on?

It's sort of premature to call this "decided." Georgia is likely to do a recount and three states seem to still be outstanding (when I checked moments ago). That may be why.

Biden doesn't need Georgia to win. Pennsylvania gave him enough electoral votes that he can lose Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia (assuming he wins the other states the media says he won)

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requiring ballots arrive by Election Day is unreasonable when the executive branch is handicapping the postal service for partisan reasons. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/2020-presidential-election-p... (Postal Service data shows poor mail-in ballot delivery rate in key swing states, judge suggests Postmaster General DeJoy might have to testify)

Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. In Washington state where I used to live has had universal mail in ballots for many years and they had ballot drop boxes that were swept on election day. Th…

Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots.

No, there are allegations of USPS workers coming forward from conspiracy boards. In truth, there were no such USPS workers testifying, or even claiming, any of that. Even FOX News and One America couldn't find any evidence supporting the existence of these supposed USPS workers.

And on another note: military votes have been allowed to arrive after election day since at least WWII. Are you saying that most of the military votes cast in the past 6 decades are fraudulent?

And on a final note: it hasn't been possible to backdate postdates for at least a decade, as the USPS records when mail is received separately and in addition to the postdate, and it isn't possible to backdate that data unless you have access to the USPS database. Considering that the USPS is run by a Trump appointee, it is very unlikely that Democrats have that sort of access.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#94
post #5

Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

Funny enough, the US usually supports a more European model of government when it does nation building.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#95
post #5

Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

> A refusing to leave president. No legal process has taken place that has declared Biden the winner.

No, and it won’t until December. However it is now clear that it _will_ happen. Traditionally, once it becomes inevitable, candidates concede.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#96
post #84

If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? I really think adding little adjectives like that undermines the respectedness of the NYT

It was "close" because the counting was so slow. If Pennsylvania was allowed to count early votes beforehand, it would've been obvious that Trump was not going to have a chance there.

Eh, 20k vote margins in states that used to be taken for granted is pretty bad. Not to mention the down ballot disaster this has been for Dems.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sort of premature to call this "decided." Georgia is likely to do a recount and three states seem to still be outstanding (when I checked moments ago). That may be why.

Biden doesn't need Georgia to win. Pennsylvania gave him enough electoral votes that he can lose Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia (assuming he wins the other states the media says he won)

Yes, I'm aware. And Trump is talking of suing (claiming election fraud) as well, or so I understand.

My best understanding is this is not really settled yet. I'm guessing this may be a contributing factor to why some people -- not me -- are flagging these articles.

Articles get flagged by users. Unless someone doing the flagging is willing to speak up, speculation is all we really have and even having some people speak up doesn't mean we know all the reasons why people choose to flag a piece.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#98
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This election should be a wake up call to entire country and Democrats in particular. There was no blue wave, if anything Biden has barely squeaked past the post. If it were not for the pandemic I'm convinced the Trump turnout for this election would have produced results rivaling Reagan in 1984. Even with a pandemic he was able to drive more voters to the polls on election day than any point in American history.

Even the Trump campaign said their base of old, white voters were dying off [1]. In another 4 years, another 7.3 million older voters (typically conservative voters) will have aged out. The country will continue to turn blue [2]. Democrats still have a lot of work to do on messaging. This was high tide for conservative votes. [3] [1] https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old... [2] https://www.pewr…

Trump appears to have done better with minority voters than any other Republican presidential candidate in recent memory, which will do something to counter the 'aging out' that you describe.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#99
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A refusing to leave president. No legal process has taken place that has declared Biden the winner.

You mean besides having the necessary number of delegates? He's been literally throwing lawsuits around to stop different states from continuing the counting. That to me says OP's words were accurate.

The elections aren't certified until a few weeks from now. The exact date varies from state to state. At that point each state selects its electors.

No electors have been selected yet.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

#100
post #5

Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

> A refusing to leave president. No legal process has taken place that has declared Biden the winner.

The election is a legal process and it's declared him the presumptive winner. Same as Trump on election night in 2016.

Everything else that happens are formalities, however important and necessary. Other than the 2000 election, we haven't waited this long to announce the next president following a presidential election.

And it isn't even close, Biden has more differential votes by percentage than Nixon, Truman, or Reagan.

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