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It's not really a debate. It divides fairly neatly along the lines of "has been writing Go for a couple of years" vs "has come to Go fairly recently". There's a well-trodden path of developers who were trained in PHP/Rails/JS/Django/etc starting on Go. Their first question is always "what framework should I use?" (you can see this being asked at least once a week on r/golang). They then go down that path, and find (w…
I'm not a backend developer and I can't comment on the actual framework vs no framework in Go discussion. What I want to say it looks a bit arrogant to portray yourself as this enlightenened person who has seen what would take other people years to understand, and to tell them that you won't bother to convince them but they'll understand one day. There has to be a better way to communicate your point.
I wrote a whole logging library, and a "better" database access library. I even put them up on Github and asked for feedback in the Go google group. Mostly I got told "you don't need either of these", which I ignored. Until I finally came to understand.
It's a well-trodden path. I'm not the first to walk it, and I see others starting on it now.