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Re: Apple removes then restores DoNotPay app in the App Store

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Post by machello13 » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 7:31 PM UTC

alexvoda wrote: post #85

machello13 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't all of those also true with iOS? Have you heard of Jailbreaking?

Of course I heard of Jailbreaking. The difference was that jailbreaking and modding consoles requires modified hardware to run unapproved software (digitally distributed). But reverse engineering the development tools and the signing keys in order to create unapproved disks or cartridges is a viable method to create software for unmodified devices. See FreeDVDBoot for the PS2.

Jailbreaking definitely does not require modified hardware. You also don't need to jailbreak to install 3rd party apps. See http://altstore.io/.

Re: Apple removes then restores DoNotPay app in the App Store

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Post by alexvoda » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 8:12 PM UTC

machello13 wrote: post #91

alexvoda wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course I heard of Jailbreaking. The difference was that jailbreaking and modding consoles requires modified hardware to run unapproved software (digitally distributed). But reverse engineering the development tools and the signing keys in order to create unapproved disks or cartridges is a viable method to create software for unmodified devices. See FreeDVDBoot for the PS2.

Jailbreaking definitely does not require modified hardware. You also don't need to jailbreak to install 3rd party apps. See http://altstore.io/ .

By modified hardware I mean a device that is not in its default state. Jailbraking alters the firmware making a jailbroken iPhone different from from a mint one.

I did not know about that one but I did know of AppValey and others that work based on enterprise certificates. I am not sure what prevents Epic from using this method to create an alternative store or why Apple does not claim that if you want you can have alternative stores on iOS therefore there is no antithrust issue.

Of course AppValey and the like require installing a root certificate.

Also, none of this allows you to unlock the bootloader.

Re: Apple removes then restores DoNotPay app in the App Store

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Post by pmiller2 » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 8:41 PM UTC

alexvoda wrote: post #86

pmiller2 wrote: post #81

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"Can be sidestepped" is a far cry from "average users can do this," you know.

And yet it is done as proven by new software development efforts for antiquated platforms like the NES, SNES, GBA, N64 or PS2. New cartridges are being made today. The original vendor has no responsibility to make alternative software easy. But I believe they should have a responsibility to not make it impossible or intentionally harder than necessary.

There is the small fact that, once those platforms became antiquated, the population that constitutes "average users" also changed significantly, skewing vastly more toward the more technical end of the spectrum. They are therefore not valid examples to talk about here, IMO.