Starlink Beta Has Outperformed Most Internet in the US • Hacker News Board

Re: Starlink Beta Has Outperformed Most Internet in the US

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Post by fomine3 » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 6:05 AM UTC

integer42 wrote: post #14

vaidhy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, does that mean 95% of internet users are facing even worse quality of service? or does it mean that given a very small number of participants so far, starlink is able to allocate more bandwidth to everyone? I remember reading an analysis here on a previous posting about starlink that under load, it is going to have pretty limited throughput (on top of higher latency). I do not see how that will get solved.

When 4g/LTE was new, a coworker was an early adopter of whatever cellphone that was one of the first to support it. They were getting somewhere ~250 mbps on speed test. Fast forward to everyone having 4g phones, now in practice I see like 1-2% of those speeds typically. I have no idea the inner workings of starlink's protocol, but these aspects of wireless seem inevitable. once theres more simultaneous connections th…

IIRC initial LTE (UE category 3) only supports max 100Mbps (on spec) by 15MHz bandwidth. So I had measured max 50Mbps on 75Mbps (on spec, 10MHz) network.

Re: Starlink Beta Has Outperformed Most Internet in the US

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Post by whamlastxmas » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 6:29 AM UTC

fanf2 wrote: post #64

Alternative headline: “ISP with hardly any users and therefore no congestion turns out to be really fast!”

Alternative title: "Brand new company with no existing market share successfully provides vital service that billion dollar companies with decades of experience failed to do"

Re: Starlink Beta Has Outperformed Most Internet in the US

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Post by MrBuddyCasino » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 9:37 AM UTC

anoncake wrote: post #84

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> highly developed countries like the US or Germany In Germany this is due to regulation. Deutsche Telekom has no incentive to lay cables, as they will have to share the infrastructure with competitors at a price that makes doing so unattractive.

No, it's due to privatization. The Bundespost would simply lay cables because they're needed, without any silly market games.

The Bundespost would have you rent a slow, outdated modem and disallowed connecting any devices from the private market.

Source: this is was actually happened when they still had the monopoly.

Re: Starlink Beta Has Outperformed Most Internet in the US

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Post by anoncake » Wed, Nov 04, 2020, 10:22 AM UTC

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #93

anoncake wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's due to privatization. The Bundespost would simply lay cables because they're needed, without any silly market games.

The Bundespost would have you rent a slow, outdated modem and disallowed connecting any devices from the private market. Source: this is was actually happened when they still had the monopoly.

It did, yes, but that policy could have easily been changed without privatization. Private companies often had the same policy ("Routerzwang") until the state stopped them. Whereas misaligned incentives are a direct consequence of trying to manage a natural monopoly using markets.