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Re: Sean Connery has died

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Yeah, fortunetaly the movie industry was not a reflection of society. I mean, it's not like any of our parents or grandparents approved of any of this, right?

I mean, they did. That's the implicit critique; it's a relic of a darker time at least in societies that try a bit better today to treat people as peers.

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I find it more perplexing that we pre-occupy ourselves with splitting the people of the world into those who are good and those who are bad. And then making sure the bad group can't ever make its way back into the good one. Rarely, if ever, is it so clear cut. And if anything, it's quite a juvenile (and pervasively Western) value system. I find it particularly exhausting and the world is as it is because there isn't…

What a very weird take on my comments. We didn’t make Sean Connery identify as “bad” - he did that, and did so unremorsefully and unapologetically. He didn’t want to come back to the “good” side. I find it most perplexing of all that you would want to do mental gymnastics to defend someone like that or minimize the highlighting of genuine harm that person did by trying to disingenuously act like it’s more nuanced tha…

Time and place, my dude. You might as well start picketing outside of the man's wake. It's rude to trample on the emotions of people who are mourning together.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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I find it more perplexing that we pre-occupy ourselves with splitting the people of the world into those who are good and those who are bad. And then making sure the bad group can't ever make its way back into the good one. Rarely, if ever, is it so clear cut. And if anything, it's quite a juvenile (and pervasively Western) value system. I find it particularly exhausting and the world is as it is because there isn't…

What a very weird take on my comments. We didn’t make Sean Connery identify as “bad” - he did that, and did so unremorsefully and unapologetically. He didn’t want to come back to the “good” side. I find it most perplexing of all that you would want to do mental gymnastics to defend someone like that or minimize the highlighting of genuine harm that person did by trying to disingenuously act like it’s more nuanced tha…

For all the sins of past societies, they at least had the good grace and civility to regard those who spoke ill of the recently dead (even if deserved) with scorn. There are times where, as F. Scott Fitzgerald once wrote, "To be kind is more important than to be right."

Let's celebrate the good parts and forgive the bad parts of a person's life at it's end, just as we would want others to do for us. Leave chewing over their failings to those pale few who derive nourishment from it.

Re: Sean Connery has died

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Merchant Navy, milkman, nude model, lifeguard, truck driver, bricklayer, boxer, bodybuilder, street brawler (he once beat a gang of four while hanging out with Michael Caine, and another time, he defeated six people in a street fight.) ... ... and, finally, backstage maintenance worker at the King’s Theatre in Edinburgh. The rest is history.- A 20th century icon.- RIP.-

Don’t forget he was also an unapologetic advocate of spousal abuse, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzXkbJwrN38

Thats not at all what he says in this video. He says slapping a woman is fine if she is already abusing you.

I'd rather walk away than slap personally, because girls like he describe are just a waste of time from experience (even though they usually think it makes them cool lol), but he is NOT advocating abusing at all. He is advocating "slapping" (and making it clear to not punch) to END abuse.

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RIP Also loved his performances in The Name Of The Rose, and 70's weirdo films Robin And Marian and Zardoz. Not a fan of newer Bond films after Roger Moore's which I thought took it too seriously and lacked comedy.

I feel like Daniel Craig delivered some witty comedy in his portrayal even if the films themselves were very gritty. But yeah, I felt like it was absolutely absent from Pierce Brosnan's Bond.

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I find it more perplexing that we pre-occupy ourselves with splitting the people of the world into those who are good and those who are bad. And then making sure the bad group can't ever make its way back into the good one. Rarely, if ever, is it so clear cut. And if anything, it's quite a juvenile (and pervasively Western) value system. I find it particularly exhausting and the world is as it is because there isn't…

What a very weird take on my comments. We didn’t make Sean Connery identify as “bad” - he did that, and did so unremorsefully and unapologetically. He didn’t want to come back to the “good” side. I find it most perplexing of all that you would want to do mental gymnastics to defend someone like that or minimize the highlighting of genuine harm that person did by trying to disingenuously act like it’s more nuanced tha…

You're welcome to have that feeling. I'm also not downvoting you.

As it stands, I'm quite happy being ludicrous and unreasonable if that's what you think it is. I just can't (and won't) see the world the same way as you and likeminded others.

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I once helped Mr. Connery print something. I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hilton in 2004 during Oscars week. I was in the business center on the Internet (this was the dark ages before ubiquitous hotel WiFi and personal devices.) Someone comes in, and then a few minutes later says in a completely unmistakable voice “Excuse me, do you know how to print this?” I immediately jumped into parental IT support mode, it…

That is a very fun story. It got me thinking about those SNL skits parodying Trebek and Connery on Jeopardy. Is there a known history between them?

Re: Sean Connery has died

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What a ludicrous point of view. The world has a lot of good people in it. There is do defensible reason for celebrating unapologetic bad people. Honest mistakes, sure. Character flaws, ok. Blatant endorsement of spousal abuse on a major news program with no retraction or apology ever? Get real.

I find it more perplexing that we pre-occupy ourselves with splitting the people of the world into those who are good and those who are bad. And then making sure the bad group can't ever make its way back into the good one. Rarely, if ever, is it so clear cut. And if anything, it's quite a juvenile (and pervasively Western) value system. I find it particularly exhausting and the world is as it is because there isn't…

> Rarely, if ever, is it so clear cut. And if anything, it's quite a juvenile (and pervasively Western) value system.

And the opposite edge of the same sword are stories of Keanu being such an amazing human being etc. All the while no one knows or seems to even care who they truly are. We demonize and idolize for a sense of moral righteousness and to strengthen our world view. It's far from compassion, has little to do with them, and it's juvenile.

Bad behavior is not an argument against good behavior. Bad character is not an argument against good character. They're not mutually exclusive, and it's a false dichotomy.

Let the police arrest the criminals. But speech should be free. We've all said dumb sh_t. We've all believed dumb sh_t. We've all done dumb sh_t.

To paraphrase George Carlin, we're all born guilty.

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