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2. Is this org of any significant importance?
3. Why should I care.
Or, am I being to mean and should someone here complain about my topics?
Meanwhile, is numfocus really on the map. Until yesterday, I never heard about them before.
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Do you think it’s possible to empathize with people who are harassed, or experience harassment, and oppose codes of conduct? Assume that empathy includes caring about protecting people.
Sounds like "I empathize with them but I don't care about protecting them"
I'm on the fence on this issue but it's sounds like you're willfully misreading that statement.
The context for those out of the loop: https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/
What is a little more troubling is that he (A) describes codes of conduct in detail and repeatedly affirms his allegiance to the general idea behind CoCs, including describing "previous sexual assault allegations" as "behaviors" he "strongly agrees" should be stopped. (B) He goes some way towards portraying himself as a victim, describing in graphic detail his lack of "emotional resilience". I wonder if he realized what a thin line he was walking with (A), because he now has a "previous CoC violation allegation" on his permanent record, regardless of his acquittal.
In other words, he very strongly backs the spirit, letter, and zeitgeist of CoCs before describing why he thinks he did not violate them in this specific case. I think these were very wise tactical moves, although they leave a bad taste in my mouth, and I can't help but wonder if this approach affected the outcome. I don't recall seeing an apology ever given, let alone changes instituted, for CoC violation allegations.
Ok, I'm not heavily steeped in this, but at first glance this seems like total bullshit. Note that the original complaint was both 1) that the code of conduct people were being, well, total assholes, and 2) that the complaints were so obviously ridiculous that the entire exercise seemed like it could only be a power trip for those involved. The apology addressed neither. They apologized for being unclear about what s…
Leah Silen, Executive Director leah@numfocus.org +1 (512) 831-2870 or +1 (972) 896-3688
Andy Terrel, President andy@numfocus.org
Nicole Foster, Executive Operations Administrator nicole@numfocus.org
Walker Chabbott, Communications & Marketing Manager walker@numfocus.org
I find it disgraceful how mealy-mouthed their response was, how they conveniently spread the blame out across the committee, don't directly address where the ball was dropped (and by who), don't even address not letting him tell his side of the story, and then trying to excuse their actions with a distracting paragraph about why the video hadn't been posted.
I found Jeremy's post yesterday [0] very measured and clear, this on the other hand was a garbage "apology" that sidestepped any real responsibility or consequences.
[0] https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/ (HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24926214)
I'm going to get downvoted for this, but: I'm against code of conducts because they're worse than the problems they try to solve. edit: In my opinion, code of conducts become a distraction and a cause for worry to anyone contributing to these projects because someone inevitably gets their feelings hurt and points to some well-intentioned rule in the CoC to get the 'offender' shamed/removed even if no harm was intende…
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I don't mean this as an attack, but I'm guessing you haven't been harassed/given unwanted attention at a conference. It's easy to see codes of conduct as draconian or unnecessary if you can't empathize with the people they're designed to protect. I'm not saying the CoC system is perfect or that there aren't false positives, but your statement here is _dramatically_ privileged.
If you need a CoC to get rid of someone who harasses others what you have is a deeper problem
Ok, I'm not heavily steeped in this, but at first glance this seems like total bullshit. Note that the original complaint was both 1) that the code of conduct people were being, well, total assholes, and 2) that the complaints were so obviously ridiculous that the entire exercise seemed like it could only be a power trip for those involved. The apology addressed neither. They apologized for being unclear about what s…