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Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Sorry, that's BS. In some sports and some top ranks, maybe there is a lot of money behind. But that's a very narrow view of "elite athlete". I personally know some Olympic finalists in some sports, and they certainly don't see big money. They struggle to actually train full-time over an Olympic cycle (4 years) without having to have some part-time job that puts food on the table and pays for gear, trips to training c…

Which is why, the conspiracy theory goes, it’s only second tier athletic disciplines that have a doping problem. In sports where the real money is, such as football and tennis, it pays to sweep results under the rug. Cyclists and distance skiers, on the other hand, seem to go from one scandal to the next. Unless an athlete shows up that does manage to bring in serious amounts of money. In that case the lid goes on fo…

At that point i would not speak of a "conspiracy theory" anymore, more of like a unspoken truth.

EDIT:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6327574/

>In football players, doping has recently become an important matter

>>Androgen abuse has not only a direct effect on myocardial hypertrophy and fibrosis, but can also result in myocardial infarction, arrhythmia, hypertension and dyslipidemia

>>>Herbal supplements, anti-histamines and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/08/more-young-f...

But no probable connection to Doping...when the guardian sleeps...

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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I hope that's a joke, and even then, it's not a very good one.

I would imagine it's not a joke. His comment is factual if you interpret "women" and "men" as a population and in context of chess performance(not in general). > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

women are not as good as men [generally]

is hardly an argument where it is easy to assume good faith!

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

#93

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Super GMs often catch cheaters by creating a stale board in the late mid-game and watch opponents make pointless moves many times in a row. It becomes pretty obvious at that moment.

As someone who only knows the very basics of chess, what do you mean by "stale board"? Searching for that term didn't turn up any interesting results.

By a stale board I mean a board state where there are no sensible moves in order to create an advantage. i.e. there are no good pawn moves, no good knight or bishop re-positions, castles mostly stuck and the engine pretty much shows no point difference.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Why would anybody do this?

It's not even like cheating in athletics where you can plausibly claim to be doing it yourself (just using illegal enhancements).

Here it is something else doing it for you. Bizarre that anybody would take pride from doing it, especially considering the risk of being found out.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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One way to get around the cameras and the invigilator in the room for a live chess match is to have a small wireless vibrating device somewhere on your body that can encode information such as coordinates and move difficulty. Someone else would have to be watching the game and doing the computer doping on tlyour behalf though

play in a Faraday cage

You would have to close the room for sounds and light, too.

To be sure, shield it from any form of radiation (neutrons, gamma rays, etc.), too. Even getting a single bit “there’s a mate in less than 7 moves” to a player could be (possibly rarely) useful, as it would direct a player’s search for a move and/or have them commit more time looking for a move.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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I'd expect to see Chess engines that allows settings such that it will chose a move only a human at rank X could chose. And make easy mistakes a computer could beat, but a human couldn't. Along with randomisations. So it can pass a Turing test.

Exactly.

Cheater of real rank R would set target rank R' = R+delta.

Once officially at R', set R'' = R'+delta. And so on by modest increments.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Well, the line still seems blurry regarding medicines that athletes are allowed to take if they have a specific conditions... For instance, a lot of pro cyclists seem to suffer from asthma (40% vs 8% in the general population)!

“Exercise-induced asthma” is common in many endurance sports, especially winter sports. https://theconversation.com/winter-olympics-why-many-athlete... : “Exercise-induced asthma is the most common medical problem among winter Olympic athletes, especially among cross-country skiers. Nearly 50% of these athletes suffer from the condition, closely followed by short-track speed skaters at 43%. For figure skaters it’s 21…

You're proving rather than disproving the point.

The situation is something like "huh, a whole lot of Vietnam draftees seem to suffer from flat feet, somehow our drafting algorithm must have pulled in more flat feet people than exist in the entire population".

None of these guys have asthma: http://www.granfondoguide.com/Contents/Index/3488/dick-pound...

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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post #81

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Well, the line still seems blurry regarding medicines that athletes are allowed to take if they have a specific conditions... For instance, a lot of pro cyclists seem to suffer from asthma (40% vs 8% in the general population)!

“Exercise-induced asthma” is common in many endurance sports, especially winter sports. https://theconversation.com/winter-olympics-why-many-athlete... : “Exercise-induced asthma is the most common medical problem among winter Olympic athletes, especially among cross-country skiers. Nearly 50% of these athletes suffer from the condition, closely followed by short-track speed skaters at 43%. For figure skaters it’s 21…

As an (ex) XC runner who has done thousands of miles in the cold and snow, the word "normally" in that article's pivotal sentence, "This can cause the smooth muscle in the airway to narrow, reducing the athletes’ ability to breathe normally" is a bit of a stretch. It's like saying these athletes all have "exercise-induced tachycardia" because their heart rate goes up when they compete. Responding to dry, cold air with narrowed airways is normal. I don't dispute that some respond to it worse than others and need medication to come back to the default response, but it's easy to stretch that diagnosis and take salbutamol until you're better than the baseline.

My lungs are currently in the annual process of acclimating to the newly cold fall air. Every year for decades I've been running in October and there are a couple weeks when the temperature crashes from the last encore of summer at 60F/15C seemingly overnight to frosty mornings and 40F/5C runs and the leaves change. I can feel that my legs are fine but I'm breathing harder than usual, and I can literally see on my Garmin that my average pace has decreased but my heart rate is unchanged or elevated. By November my VO2 max will be up a bit and my pace will be mostly back to normal.

Does it feel like I'm breathing through a slimy straw on those first frosty mornings? Yes. Am I in danger of asphyxiating from it? No, and I think that's a critical distinction - some of my friends are, they should use an inhaler to counteract their body's over reaction to the conditions. Can I get over it without medication? Yes. Would I be faster if I had blood salbutamol levels of 800 ug/L instead of 0 and an unrestricted airway? Yes, whether I used it in training to work out at a higher level than I otherwise could, raced with it, or both.

I'd be interested in an analysis of those cross-country skiers if they compared the mucus and muscle response of the undiagnosed and diagnosed athletes with and without their inhalers. Do an EVH test and take an ultrasound of the larynx/trachea to measure smooth muscle constriction and mucus production after 15 minutes on the treadmill at 68F/20C and 50% RH, open the door and do it at 32F/0C and 5% RH, then take a hit of an inhaler and do both again (with appropriate breaks between tests). It could also be interesting to look at the responses of non-winter-sport athletes transplanted from warmer climates versus those who have been working out in those conditions for a few months.

It would be hypocritical not to admit that I occasionally take a pseudoephedrine throughout the fall because my nasal mucus membranes get more productive when raking dusty leaves or running through fields of ragweed - which is, again, pretty normal. To me, the main difference is that suffering through the snot doesn't lead to overcoming it, it's just gross and annoying.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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What computer programs do people use to cheat? I do not play chess with other people, but I do play against the computer. I've thought of writing a program to make moves for me to see how it would fair against the computer. I'm interested in how the program interacts with the board? Does it take screenshots? Does it interact via an API?
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