The rule of thumb is that programmer pay is crap outside of NYC and Silicon Valley.
Programmer salary in mainland Europe?
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#92I'm a programmer from Russia, Moscow. My salary is ~$3000USD per month, I think its average picture.
$3K is way above average in Moscow, and Moscow salaries are much bigger than anywhere else in Russia. To give a comparison, a salary of $1K per month is considered above average in most of the Russian cities, except for 2-4 largest ones.
It's above average if you're not software developer or you have no experience.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes - I'm talking about net income. I've a small mistake: ~ 10.000 Euro (not $) / year this is ~ 14.000$ / year.
Sorry to be inquisitive even further, I am not in Poland but my friend is thinking about moving there. Are you talking Warsaw here or a smaller town (Krakow, Wroclaw, Tricity area)?
I'm working in Krakow, but I know that salary in Warsaw can be much more higher.
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#94You need money to flourish like everyone else, but you say you're not in it for the money. Then what are you after? Are you prepared to accept that Europe's socialism (taxes and regulation) are the cause of these low wages? Are you even open to asking yourself if this is true? Incidentally, how did you choose "socialist_coder" as your username? Are you trying to be facetious by doing so, or are you serious?
I'm not in it for the money as long as I can keep my current quality of life. I enjoy traveling, eating at nice restaurants, buying gadgets, etc.
I remember back when I used to make $65,000 I was not able to do all of those things. I had a lower quality of life.
I'm to the point now where I feel like all my monetary problems are solved. I don't want to go backwards, but I also don't think any additional salary increase is going to increase my happiness.
The reason I was applying for jobs in Europe was because I thought the social benefits outweigh the lower salary. I want to live in a society where there is a good social safety net and where there is less income inequality than in the United States. I was prepared for a lower salary but I was expecting about 20% lower, not 40%.
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#95Since you are thinking of German-speaking countries, consider Switzerland. The pay is better than in Silicon Valley, and the taxes (in Zurich at least) are lower.
I'm trying to stay in the video game industry, and to my knowledge there aren't many video game companies in Switzerland, but I am going to check now. Thanks for the tip!
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#96In Amsterdam as a starter you can expect somewhere between €30k and €38k, depending on your skill set and company you're applying for. I think €45k for a senior position sounds about right, but this really depends a lot on where you're going to live: cost of living in for example London is much higher than somewhere in Spain. As an indication for taxes: €45k before taxes would probably be around €30k after income tax…
I was working in Holland for a year. Some of my senior colleges were getting 60k€ net or slightly more.
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#97yeah in Spain the average salaries are quite a bit lower than most places but you can get around 45K if you have a couple of years of experience. Throw in low prices, benefits (extra tax free restaurant tickets, pension plan, health care) and in the case of Barcelona awesome weather and lot's of beaches and it becomes more of a lifestyle decision than a pure monetary one. Yeah you might make 60K+ in London but the ta…
«45K if you have a couple of years of experience» LOL that's interesting because, you know, it's false :) replace «couple» with "more than 5 years" and I will begin to believe you. It's true that in BCN and Madrid things are better, but not that much. And in London you can earn more than 60K per year. Spain is near Poland in salaries, we have tons of people with CS degrees (which doesn't means that they are good at p…
It's not that bad. I rent a 3 bedroom flat for about 850 eur and most of my co-workers rent for between 700 - 900 eur a month. Prices have come way down during the crisis :)
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#98I'm working as Rails programming for a new startup in Madrid and I'm earning 40,000 EUR working as Senior. I think you can expect higher salaries in other countries like Germany, Netherlands and Nordic countries
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#99I'm a senior developer in Salzburg, Austria (about a 1 hour drive from Munich).
50400 Euros before taxes, which means I'm only taking home 31870 a year. No matter how you look at it, Europe rewards lazy people and punishes the ones doing the work.
I'd stay in California, if I had a chance.
Re: Programmer salary in mainland Europe?
#100Since you are thinking of German-speaking countries, consider Switzerland. The pay is better than in Silicon Valley, and the taxes (in Zurich at least) are lower.
I'm trying to stay in the video game industry, and to my knowledge there aren't many video game companies in Switzerland, but I am going to check now. Thanks for the tip!
Look up CCP in Iceland, they're hiring for positions in Reykjavik, Atlanta and Shanghai.