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Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by Kiro »

piokoch wrote: post #77
alexgmcm wrote: post #68

If you think privacy is the major concern of most people then no offence, but you've had a pretty privileged life. I doubt it's even the major concern of most people in Western countries due to unemployment, poverty, debt etc. let alone developing nations which have the real risk of actual famine and so on.

Same you can say about global warming. Is this immediate threat? This year? Next year? In 10 years? Violation of privacy might lead to the situation that someone will be unemployed forever because of something that he or she wrote 20 years ago on Facebook or employees managed to fetch data that a person was depressed, has many kids, etc. Massive abuse of privacy will lead sooner or later to some kind corporate versio…

Both are very privileged issues. Pretty sure neither is the big concern for the majority of people.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by adamsea »

jacquesm wrote: post #80
f154hfds wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always wondered how people who advocate for more open borders justify their position. Could you expand? Naively I would think regulating borders is an essential function in maintaining rule of law - undocumented workers are fodder for exploitation. But I'm honestly open to being wrong.

Of course you could always document them.

Agreed : )

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by [deleted] »

OpticalWindows wrote: post #61
raxxorrax wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is disinformation entangled with privacy?

Targeted disinformation. Imagine being able to compile the cheapest pressure point for everyone in the world using surveillance and then exploiting it on a industrial scale. Most modern surveillance is in a legally ambiguous area of the law. In theory you can target anyone with habitual use of a computer or with friends who use computers a lot for very cheap.

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Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by Kiro »

Kiro wrote: post #20
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is whataboutism and a false dichotomy. Both issues can be addressed simultaneously and independently. I mean it's laudable that you feel stronger about conservatism than privacy, but right now you seem under the impression that we can only pick one.

The context is the title.

My point is that the reply was a direct comment on the title, which explicitly says "the most important". The poster is not saying that they are mutually exclusive so calling "whataboutism" on that is a strawman.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by OpticalWindows »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #88
OpticalWindows wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Targeted disinformation. Imagine being able to compile the cheapest pressure point for everyone in the world using surveillance and then exploiting it on a industrial scale. Most modern surveillance is in a legally ambiguous area of the law. In theory you can target anyone with habitual use of a computer or with friends who use computers a lot for very cheap.

Targeted disinformation from ads was much less effective than widespread disinformation from paid shills.

Yes but most influencers gain an audience through social networking.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by chrisdirkis »

piokoch wrote: post #77
alexgmcm wrote: post #68

If you think privacy is the major concern of most people then no offence, but you've had a pretty privileged life. I doubt it's even the major concern of most people in Western countries due to unemployment, poverty, debt etc. let alone developing nations which have the real risk of actual famine and so on.

Same you can say about global warming. Is this immediate threat? This year? Next year? In 10 years? Violation of privacy might lead to the situation that someone will be unemployed forever because of something that he or she wrote 20 years ago on Facebook or employees managed to fetch data that a person was depressed, has many kids, etc. Massive abuse of privacy will lead sooner or later to some kind corporate versio…

I don't mean to make light of struggling to find somewhere to live, and I know it can be difficult for many due to reasons beyond their control, and this really sucks. Everyone should have a place to live. I'm interested in exploring the hypothetical, when you say:

> keep person homeless because nobody will want to rent a flat because someone's kids stained the walls in the rented apartment.

If Evan's kids stain the wall, then Evan's kids are more likely to stain the wall. Currently, the expectation of someone being more likely to stain the walls is "priced in" to the rental prices everywhere. People who don't stain walls pay a little more, and people whose kids stain the wall cost their owners a little more, but on average it comes out (hope you can own a lot of domiciles).

If we start to be able to measure this, doesn't this mean we can more accurately price it? People less likely will pay less, and people more likely will pay more. I think you're suggesting that "Owners will just use the likelihood of damages as a threshold, and if you're 0.01 above the Unsafe/Volatile threshold you'll not be rented to at all", but that leaves a pretty big hole in the market. If there's not enough supply, then people are being kicked out instead of Evan _now_, and if there is enough supply, then you'd rather rent to Evan at higher rates to cover your risks than to not rent at all, right?

The current situation kinda feels like an "insurance" thing, with pooled risk.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by lbblack »

st1x7 wrote: post #81
alexgmcm wrote: post #68

If you think privacy is the major concern of most people then no offence, but you've had a pretty privileged life. I doubt it's even the major concern of most people in Western countries due to unemployment, poverty, debt etc. let alone developing nations which have the real risk of actual famine and so on.

The title uses the word "concept", you're replacing it with "concern" - the two words mean different things

Did you click on the article? Quoting from the top of the landing page, "It [privacy] concerns the very fabric of society." Writing about privacy as a concept isn't nearly the same thing as trying to draw legitimate concern to an important issue. An important issue, but inarguably neither the most pertinent concept or concern of our time - currently.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by cesarosum »

DSingularity wrote: post #78

Privacy is dead. Why do we think we have anything close to agency over our self when advertising and — in general — profiteering by trafficking in the private lives of individuals is the force that it is today?

It saddens me to read this sentiment. I agree there is a huge uphill battle to fight here to change the current situation, but there are a) plenty of people who value their privacy and are willing to make changes to the products and technologies they use in order to preserve their rights, and b) developers creating technology, tools and products that will protect your online privacy.
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