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Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

#91

Post by pabs3 »

Arathorn wrote: post #5

From the Matrix side, we're ridiculously happy to have the opportunity to defragment developer chat a bit, and get folks on Gitter natively talking to folks elsewhere on Matrix (including bridged to IRC, Slack, Discord or whatever). The fragmentation of FOSS development chat into proprietary silos a few years back was incredibly depressing, and this is our attempt to put right what once went wrong :) Happy to try to…

The Matrix to IRC bridge (for at least freenode and OFTC) has a number of suboptimal behaviours on the IRC side, it would be great if you could improve the experience for folks not using Matrix.

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

#92

Post by Arathorn »

pabs3 wrote: post #91
Arathorn wrote: post #5

From the Matrix side, we're ridiculously happy to have the opportunity to defragment developer chat a bit, and get folks on Gitter natively talking to folks elsewhere on Matrix (including bridged to IRC, Slack, Discord or whatever). The fragmentation of FOSS development chat into proprietary silos a few years back was incredibly depressing, and this is our attempt to put right what once went wrong :) Happy to try to…

The Matrix to IRC bridge (for at least freenode and OFTC) has a number of suboptimal behaviours on the IRC side, it would be great if you could improve the experience for folks not using Matrix.

We’re aware of folks objecting that messages longer than 3 lines get autopastebinned, and that replies are a bit jarring on IRC. Or do you have something else in mind?

Impedance mismatches are inevitable, but we obviously don’t want Matrix to crap over native experiences on IRC or elsewhere. So: give us specifics and we’ll fix as best we can.

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

#93

Post by Arathorn »

mathnmusic wrote: post #67
Arathorn wrote: post #5

From the Matrix side, we're ridiculously happy to have the opportunity to defragment developer chat a bit, and get folks on Gitter natively talking to folks elsewhere on Matrix (including bridged to IRC, Slack, Discord or whatever). The fragmentation of FOSS development chat into proprietary silos a few years back was incredibly depressing, and this is our attempt to put right what once went wrong :) Happy to try to…

One of the best features of Gitter is that it can be embedded on webpages which reduces a lot of friction for public communities. Please keep that feature and perhaps, even replicate it in Matrix. This can be a unique value prop for both over the proprietary ones. Plus, it enriches the Web as opposed to moving all things into app silos.

For sure. Matrix is sprouting this too (there was a GSoC project this summer for it, and the Hydrogen Matrix client is also properly embeddable, unlike Element) - but with Gitter becoming a Matrix client we could do so from that side too!

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

#94

Post by DenseComet »

adsjhdashkj wrote: post #24

Can anyone comment on the state of UX with Element these days? I'm changing to Linux/Windows from Mac, so i'm dumping iMessage - but i'm not convinced Signal has a good enough UX to keep me and my family happy. Sidenote, i love how i can pay Element and support Matrix/Element.

If you want to support the project and get something from it, a good way is to get yourself a hosted server from Element. The cheapest plan is $10 per month for 5 users, and includes things like a custom domain.

https://element.io/plans-and-pricing/pro

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

#95

Post by Arathorn »

StavrosK wrote: post #89
Arathorn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the main news is that Gitter is going to natively join Matrix. We've been talking about doing this for a few years, but it never got to the top of the todo list on either side - plus frankly we're breaking new ground by making a large existing network natively speak Matrix (complete with incorporating room archives, etc). Others (e.g. Rocket.Chat) have had a go at natively speaking Matrix but it's hard to be th…

Please, please fix the years-old notification bug where you can't turn off email notifications for every single comment without leaving the channel. "Only email me when I'm mentioned" actually emails you for every message instead.

On Gitter? Element gets this right at least, so once we move Gitter over to being entirely Matrix backed it should be ok.

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

#96

Post by storrgie »

sytse wrote: post #48
Arathorn wrote: post #5

From the Matrix side, we're ridiculously happy to have the opportunity to defragment developer chat a bit, and get folks on Gitter natively talking to folks elsewhere on Matrix (including bridged to IRC, Slack, Discord or whatever). The fragmentation of FOSS development chat into proprietary silos a few years back was incredibly depressing, and this is our attempt to put right what once went wrong :) Happy to try to…

From the GitLab side we're very happy with the new home for Gitter. Chat is very useful but using multiple incompatible technologies has lead to fragmentation and silos. For example external developers being on Gitter when the organization behind the project is on Slack. Matrix is a great way to solve that and we hope Gitter will contribute to the success of it.

can you comment on the vision that gitlab as a product would have in the future for integration with gitter/matrix?

We're running a decent sized gitlab+mattermost instance now, we're using mattermost guests to pull in collaborators from upstream. It would be overall a lot easier if we were using something like matrix where it's federated and we can bring people in to our homeserver without having to make accounts for them.

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

#97

Post by sytse »

storrgie wrote: post #96
sytse wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the GitLab side we're very happy with the new home for Gitter. Chat is very useful but using multiple incompatible technologies has lead to fragmentation and silos. For example external developers being on Gitter when the organization behind the project is on Slack. Matrix is a great way to solve that and we hope Gitter will contribute to the success of it.

can you comment on the vision that gitlab as a product would have in the future for integration with gitter/matrix? We're running a decent sized gitlab+mattermost instance now, we're using mattermost guests to pull in collaborators from upstream. It would be overall a lot easier if we were using something like matrix where it's federated and we can bring people in to our homeserver without having to make accounts for…

That sounds like a great use case and we would welcome Matrix support in GitLab. Adding this isn't on our company roadmap so it would have to be a contribution. See https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/22996 for a related but not quite the same suggestion.

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

#98

Post by pabs3 »

Arathorn wrote: post #92
pabs3 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Matrix to IRC bridge (for at least freenode and OFTC) has a number of suboptimal behaviours on the IRC side, it would be great if you could improve the experience for folks not using Matrix.

We’re aware of folks objecting that messages longer than 3 lines get autopastebinned, and that replies are a bit jarring on IRC. Or do you have something else in mind? Impedance mismatches are inevitable, but we obviously don’t want Matrix to crap over native experiences on IRC or elsewhere. So: give us specifics and we’ll fix as best we can.

The reply issue is pretty hard to solve, since sometimes the extra text is useful, sometimes it isn't. Perhaps if there has been N minutes or X lines of chat since the message being replied to, then include the extra text, otherwise don't. The template should be changed to something like this though:

     bar: re "hello about something longis...", hello!
     bar: re "short hello", hello!
Those are the main ones, a few more:

Image uploads could probably just post a link to the image instead using /me uploaded an image: foo.png (123KiB) https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/....... >

Directing a message at a specific person on the channel sometimes posts their full Matrix URL on the IRC side, rather than just using their IRC nick:

     [bar](https://matrix.to/#/@bar:matrix.org): hello
Directing a message at a specific person on the channel sometimes posts their full name on the IRC side, rather than using their IRC nick:

     Bar Baz: hello
Matrix IRC splits seem to occur more often than IRC netsplits.
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