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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

#91

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An iota of evidence?

The Prashant Bhushan case : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/world/asia/india-lawyer-t...

How is that evidence for ‘capitalization’ or ‘rubber stamping’?

What you may be complaining about is why is it illegal to contempt Indian Judiciary —- which is a different topic.

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

#92
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If ever, courts will act a couple of years after the case. The judicial system is close to non-functional due to underfunding and mismanagement and lately due to political influence by the current fascist regime. The global public is slowly getting aware of all the human rights abuses happening in the country - good. India will only be a true democracy when Hinduism, which manifests in the caste system and brahmanic…

> India will only be a true democracy when Hinduism, which manifests in the caste system and brahmanic supremacy, will be annihilated. I have no words.

I feel like there's an entire side to this story that isn't being captured.

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

#94

The slow judicial system is the biggest weapon that the government and other large entities with money have. Not everyone can afford to put their lives on hold for 3 years while a court case slowly winds its way up to a judge.

Toyota recently pulled out of the country due to ineffective bureaucracy and that's when they're pushing for more manufacturing. In cases like these there's no way for them to fight if they're against you.

Toyota is NOT pulling out of India, and neither is it not expanding/investing more money. It was a newsbyte spread by some papers w/o citing named sources. The news was refuted by Government officials as well as Toyota India's Vice Chairman, who said Toyota would be investing about 20 Billion INR over the next 12 months.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/auto/cars-uvs/...

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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> Toyota recently pulled out of the country That is incorrect. Toyota is halting expansion in India not pulling out.

Yeah my bad, halting expansion. Kia encountered major issues as well but continued in a different state IIRC

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/auto/cars-uvs/...

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

#96
I am very glad foreign funded vested interest groups working as NGOs like Amnesty International is leaving India for good.

NGOs like Amnesty and Greenpeace has been involved in shady work in many places in India, including religious conversion and paid protests in remote villages. Hindus being a global minority need to be cautious and are worried about such conversion activities.

Indian govt has been asking NGOs to comply with FCRA Norms and many including Amnesty Internation has failed to file annual returns despite mandatory legal(pre-2014 norms) requirements.

India has millions of people living under poverty. To lift them out of poverty they need JOBS. Being an trade partner of US and UK, India has let functioning of shady NGOs like these work wrecklessly.

Whether it is Nuclear power plant or Copper plant, NGOs have been involved in mass mobilisation of people by using foreign funds to stall projects so that donor companies benefit.

If NGOs are so committed to their objective, they can raise funds from India itself to work for it. They don't need large donations from Multinational Corporation from abroad to raise objections in a democratic manner. By using foreign funds these NGOs have been successful in sabotaging Govt and Public-Private projects. So that donor Corporations can get benefitted. Similar mobilisation was also observed in Australia when Adani has been bidding for Coal mines.

NGOs were not working for their objective, but also were transferring money from their account to other NGOs without proper clearance. Shady foreign money transfers from NGOs also prompted authorities to investigate these firms on FEMA Act. If NGOs were so clean, they can fight the battle with local money than CRYING.

Foreign fund is NOT needed to fight so-called Hindu nationalism.

Foreign fund is NOT needed to raise political objections in a democratic system.

One cannot even read a recipe of a proper Gujrati Dhokla nowadays without constant screaming of "rising Hindu nationalism". XD

https://www.firstpost.com/india/enforcement-directorate-raid...

https://www.bloombergquint.com/law-and-policy/2019/09/05/ed-...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/dining/indian-recipes.htm...

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

#97
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Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. It harms liberties. India: Arrests of Activists Politically Motivated https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/16/india-arrests-activists-... Under Modi, India's Press Not Free Anymore https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/world/asia/modi-india-pre... Critics of India’s Modi Government Face Sedition Charges https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/critics-of-indias-modi-gover... Is free sp…

> Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism.

There is a fundamental difference Indian nationalism and other countries nationalism. Indian nationalism is all about bringing back the "varna system" which advocates stratification of society based on the birth and access to education is only allowed for the brahmins(priestly caste). This was the system implemented strictly before the Britishers arrived to India.

   No country to my knowledge does denies education to its own people in the name of nationalism.
   In contrast in other countries the nationalism is not about stratification of society or honoring privilege by birth.

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An iota of evidence?

The Prashant Bhushan case : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/world/asia/india-lawyer-t...

The Constitution gives the judges enormous powers in the form of Contempt of Court act[1]. Unlike other draconian laws, this is not even talked about in open due to fear of courts. You have already mentioned Prashant Bhushan's case. There is this case of Justice Karnan, a sitting High Court judge, was punished for raising voice against some senior judges[2]. The outrage at the time was quite limited as he is not a known government antagonist. Ironically, Prashant Bhushan was also cheering the sentencing of Justice Karnan[3].

1. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/the-hindu-explains-wh...

2. https://theprint.in/opinion/india-turned-a-blind-eye-to-just...

3. https://twitter.com/pbhushan1/status/861823918289571841?ref_...

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

#99
I'm not sure people are aware, but most countries find Amnesty International annoying.

My own country - Australia - has been frequently criticised by Amnesty (eg [1]).

Amnesty's job is to call out human right violations. Citizens of a country may very well say "oh, we don't like these asylum seekers, so we will keep voting for the government that put these laws in place" (in Australia's case). But it isn't Amnesty's job to look at justifications, only violations.

A robust, functional democracy should have space to allow critics, and while it might be unrealistic to expect the government to welcome that criticism, a government shouldn't use its power to act in reprisal against critics.

Some people in this discussion should consider this carefully. It's one thing to disagree with critics, but quite another to approve of reprisals against those critics.

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/australia-pm-rejects-amnesty-internati...

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

#100
I mostly agree with them, but

> transparency in the government, more recently for accountability of the Delhi police and the Government of India regarding the grave human rights violations in Delhi riots and Jammu & Kashmir

all of these have been issues with every Indian Govt. for decades. I don't see anything about 2021 that would be a straw that'd break a camel's back.

The FRCA too has been the favorite tool for every govt. from 1976, for harassing NGOs. The changes to the law itself aren't as terrible.

> The NGO/FRCA license now expires in 5 years instead of being permanent

Not a terrible idea in a functioning society. In India, it becomes a tool getting fresh bribes out of groups and trapping them in bureaucracy.

> Less than 50% of foreign funds can be used for administrative expenses

IMO, really smart change. I personally know of Indian NGOs that primarily serve as money laundering mechanisms. On paper, doesn't seem like a bad change at all.

> The law now extends to trade/student/workers' unions, women’s wing of a political party, farmers’ organisations, youth organisations based on caste, community, religion, language and organizations that engage in strikes/ blockages/ protests / political action.

Some of these changes are sensible. unions and youth organizations in India are well known to be tools of political parties. If a law had to be applied, it has to at least be consistent.

The part of orgs. that engage in protest is more divisive, especially with the discussion around foreign funding to control opinion becoming a huge thing in the US.

Should outside funding be allowed to facilitate political opinion in a nation? To me, the answer isn't that clear. Both sides of the argument have strong points in favor.

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I am generally averse to expanding Govt. power, especially given how corrupt every Indian one has been. The FRCA was terrible, and like the patriot act is something that only serves to expand state power.

That being said, to spin it as a "hindu nationalist" initiative is political posturing.

Anyone who believes that Indian Media's pro-ruling party agenda, religious riots, sedition charges or harassment of activists started or even peaked in the Modi Govt., has been willfully ignorant about the continuing violation of freedoms that Indian Govts. have been part of since Indira Gandhi in the 70s.

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In the spirit of transparency, I have an incredibly low opinion of both journalists and activists in India. The complete lack of nuance in how they approach the issues they champion is a glaring example of it. The worst aspect, is that the most egregious ones get widespread coverage in respected western outlets.

Western thought leaders have time and again demonstrated an incredibly limited understanding on complex non-western societies. Whether that be in Africa, China, SEA or India. However, english, open-ness of Indian society, post colonial guilt and its size lead to the most egregious cases being in India.

Lastly, can't be pointing out problems without suggesting solutions. Recently, one of the few journalists I respect immensely (Shekhar Gupta) has started an online-only subscription based media house called the Print. I have found them to be the closest thing to fair journalism in India. The Caravan is another subscription based media outlet that is well respected among my peers (whom I respect) although I personally I am less impressed by it.

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