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Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by alias_neo » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:52 AM UTC

tracer4201 wrote: post #15

The profane language really isn’t necessary. It would be helpful to understand what portion of apps are negatively impacted by the new iOS version. If it’s insignificant, there’s really no strong incentive for Apple to specifically set a launch date with developers. It’s besides the point by the profanity just weakens the argument. Presumably the iOS beta has been out long enough that developers could have pushed out…

People have different opinions on the use of profanity. It's a language tool, like any other, and I find in my use of it, it expresses sentiment quite clearly, whether that be humour or frustration.

The article is the author's speech, it is their choice to use or not use language tools as they desire, but I ask you this. How would you title the article while maintaining the clear and concise form?

I don't believe profanity does weaken the argument, it shows that people (developers) are getting beyond the point of being able to maintain their decorum because of the sheer frustration at the arbitrary rules and actions from a company who's trillions are made, in a no insignificant part on the backs of others' work.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by nlitened » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:52 AM UTC

pojntfx wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is why we need the Web. But Apple even blocks that since they don’t allow any browser engine apart from Safari, meaning that there is no - Add to homescreen dialog - Background sync - Proper push notifications - Proper WASM support (a lot of features are missing) Honestly, at this point, the government should step in, like they did at the end of the last century with Microsoft. Walled gardens hurt inno…

Why wouldn't you use Android then?

I would personally like to continue paying higher prices to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages with push notifications, please.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by spiderfarmer » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:54 AM UTC

kylec wrote: post #2

Why is this an issue? Apps built with the old SDK will still work on iOS 14, and you can continue to submit apps built with the old SDK for a while. Nothing says your app _has_ to be built with the new SDK on day 1.

But who will suffer from poor app ratings and support requests if something doesn't work correctly? Not Apple.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by ecmascript » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:55 AM UTC

unnouinceput wrote: post #74

ecmascript wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that is a very pessimistic view of what you actually can achieve in a browser! With web assembly a lot of those things actually are very possible today.

web will never become as fast as native apps. it's the model. until that one is changed this will always be a fact.

Sure that is true, but it is fast enough for many apps already and will be even faster in the future or do you really argue that most native apps on Apple Store couldn't be done as a web app?

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by jamil7 » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:56 AM UTC

actuator wrote: post #87

jamil7 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Man, don't you understand that you are not allowed to critize Apple here. Don't touch my walled garden and (fake) privacy. The community here over the last few months and prominent people in the Apple developer community itself have been very critical of Apple and their behaviour lately, so I don't feel as if this holds true.

His downvoted comment would say otherwise. For comparison, FB might have done more harm, so I guess one might expect it but just notice the difference between the near unanimous dislike for FB compared to divide in criticism of Apple. Out of FAANG, only Netflix might have higher positivity around them in HN.

I felt the downvoting was more in response to the comment itself sort of missing the point and coming off a bit tone deaf. I agree with your point though.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by thinkingemote » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:57 AM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #62

realusername wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> iOS developer hates with a passion and gives no useful information That's typical Apple, they are allergic to technical info and error display, when things are not working, there's no way to know why.

All in the name of UI cleanliness and simplicity . Like how there's no way to manually trigger the firmware update for the AirPods. You just have to keep them plugged in next to your iPhone and ... wait ... until some magic pixie in Apple's cloud decides it's time to push the update to you. Steve Jobs used to say it over and over again when criticized by angry developers[1] that their main focus will always be users…

Macs only just work, don't expect much else.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by ActorNightly » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:57 AM UTC

nlitened wrote: post #92

pojntfx wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is why we need the Web. But Apple even blocks that since they don’t allow any browser engine apart from Safari, meaning that there is no - Add to homescreen dialog - Background sync - Proper push notifications - Proper WASM support (a lot of features are missing) Honestly, at this point, the government should step in, like they did at the end of the last century with Microsoft. Walled gardens hurt inno…

Why wouldn't you use Android then? I would personally like to continue paying higher prices to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages with push notifications, please.

This doesnt happen though. Look at the state of web apps accessed through your computers browser - there is no issues with quality if you want a customer base.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by ActorNightly » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:58 AM UTC

jamil7 wrote: post #57

bluescrn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Web is great for a lot of things. But not games, especially if you want efficiency.

Or things like real time audio processing, AR or on device ML. Anything thats not a JSON viewer or CRUD app basically.

None of that matters for smartphones. The use case for a smartphone is basically a portable browser.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by djxfade » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:59 AM UTC

mrsuprawsm wrote: post #16

akmarinov wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some apps (Pokemon Go) just crash on launch on 14 without updates.

Surely the developers had the 3 month beta period to identify these issues, and ship fixes, right? As far as I understand it, it's possible to ship fixes for a new iOS version before that iOS version actually launches, and indeed that's the idea of the beta period.

I have been developing an app using the new SwiftUI 2.0 for iOS 14 during this beta. My builds have been breaking constantly between beta seeds, due to symbol name changes etc. And Apple have never allowed you to upload a binary linked with a pre GM SDK for release.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by spiderfarmer » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 9:00 AM UTC

nlitened wrote: post #92

pojntfx wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is why we need the Web. But Apple even blocks that since they don’t allow any browser engine apart from Safari, meaning that there is no - Add to homescreen dialog - Background sync - Proper push notifications - Proper WASM support (a lot of features are missing) Honestly, at this point, the government should step in, like they did at the end of the last century with Microsoft. Walled gardens hurt inno…

Why wouldn't you use Android then? I would personally like to continue paying higher prices to protect myself from low-quality background-syncing byte-code-obfuscated web-pages with push notifications, please.

Something can be said for both. I have built a couple of 15 year old websites with passionate users who have been begging me for an app. Not to replicate the website, which works perfectly on mobile and is very up to date with best practices. They just want it for push notifications. I can switch to Android, yes. But my users won't switch phones for just my website. And I can recommend something like Pushover, but that's too complicated for most users.

Just enable the API Apple, I bet you already have it hidden behind some flags.