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Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by xmprt »

actuator wrote: post #42
WillPostForFood wrote: post #25

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>Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? Everyone who believes Facebook was used to influence the 2016 election should believe TikTok poses a similar threat. I'd agree that the threat is overblown, but many serious people, in good faith, seriously believe it.

I would say the possible threat is more than FB is assumed to have been responsible for, whether it is true or not is a different story. While FB's perceived threat was(is?) targeting of users on behavioral models, for misinformation campaigns. Tiktok's goes beyond this, with a state actor pushing its propaganda with active blessing of the platform itself and curbing dissent against itself. Considering how we have se…

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we already see censoring of any references to the Tiananmen Square massacre on Tik Tok back in July?

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by dang »

Termious wrote: post #36
DethNinja wrote: post #23

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There is no such thing as tit for a tat in a civilisation with rule of law. Either USA had privacy laws that forbid Tik Tok from participating in USA marketplace or USA doesn’t have rule of law and operates under some form of dictatorship.

What are you even talking about? Do you live in the real world? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat Tit for tat is the strategy used across the globe and throughout history because it works.

Would you please stick to the rules so we don't have to keep banning you?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by christophilus »

jhardy54 wrote: post #81
echelon wrote: post #51

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Have you seen the anti-US sentiment being stoked on TikTok among our nation's zoomers? " All buildings matter " and " all days in September matter " are just two recent memes from the past month. TikTok is doing a lot of harm to our national image. Zoomers that I know don't think it's important for the US to have a lead in tech and that we commit atrocities worse than China. It's pretty alarming that we're being mani…

> "All buildings matter" and "all days in September matter" are just two recent memes from the past month. What do you think these mean? I'm confused at how you would read those words and think that it has anything to do with "national image".

Presumably, he sees it as a flippant or disrespectful use of the 9/11 tragedy to make a point.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by libraryatnight »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #25
patrickaljord wrote: post #20

> We are confident our proposal would have been good for TikTok’s users, while protecting national security interests Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? > combatting disinformation There you have it. I've seen TikTok videos go viral being really critical of the US government including its foreign policy. The kind of video that would just be invisible or outright banned from Youtube…

>Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? Everyone who believes Facebook was used to influence the 2016 election should believe TikTok poses a similar threat. I'd agree that the threat is overblown, but many serious people, in good faith, seriously believe it.

I don't think it's overblown. We've seen what can be done flooding social media networks with propaganda-troll accounts and memes. With TikTok China owns the platform, and TikTok knows what you like (see any number of threads with HNers shouting the praises of how addicting tiktok is). And, we already see China's influence in media. Games and movies censored or tailored to not offend China, so we know they're mindful about even subtle messages. I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned about TikTok as a propaganda machine.

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Post by christophilus »

azemetre wrote: post #78
bovermyer wrote: post #15

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That's... disappointing. While Amazon may be the reigning modern incarnation of evil, Oracle has held that title for longer.

Is Oracle evil? I thought they were just shrewd business people and not stewards of OSS. I know they have a terrible history in open source but what are some of the evil act’s they’ve done? Just genuinely curious. I’m a dev that’s only been around the last decade or so. Wasn’t around when they gained prominence.

Oracle is highly litigious. They also acquired and killed a number of products that had a cult following. Their consulting wing sucks, but honestly not much more than Accenture or the like.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by gruez »

brandonmenc wrote: post #83
echelon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the anti-US sentiment being stoked on TikTok among our nation's zoomers? " All buildings matter " and " all days in September matter " are just two recent memes from the past month. TikTok is doing a lot of harm to our national image. Zoomers that I know don't think it's important for the US to have a lead in tech and that we commit atrocities worse than China. It's pretty alarming that we're being mani…

It's not just Zoomers. A significant number of my fellow American, Millennial friends want to see China overtake us in all areas including economic and military. Partly because they believe we need to be punished, and partly because it shocks boomers.

>A significant number of my fellow American, Millennial friends want to see China overtake us in all areas including economic and military.

>Partly because they believe we need to be punished, and partly because it shocks boomers.

Yeah but by doing that, you're letting an oppressive authoritarian regime grow in power, making the world worse off. It's essentially "cutting off the nose to spite the face".

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Post by Rapzid »

peacefulhat wrote: post #85

There's a Reuters article that claims the Chinese government prefers TikTok close US operations like in India than go through with a forced sale and asset transfer, and they're willing to use heavy-handed policy to make Bytedance do what they want. Makes sense. Acquisitions should not be made under the barrel of a gun from the US government. It will be very harmful to the Chinese economy if more companies are require…

So why haven't they closed down?

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by srtjstjsj »

christophilus wrote: post #93
jhardy54 wrote: post #81

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> "All buildings matter" and "all days in September matter" are just two recent memes from the past month. What do you think these mean? I'm confused at how you would read those words and think that it has anything to do with "national image".

Presumably, he sees it as a flippant or disrespectful use of the 9/11 tragedy to make a point.

No one will ever top the way George Bush and Sick Cheney flippantly disrespected 9/11 to crush liberty in the US and set the world on fire in search of oil and defense contractor profits.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by srtjstjsj »

someonehere wrote: post #32
patrickaljord wrote: post #20

> We are confident our proposal would have been good for TikTok’s users, while protecting national security interests Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? > combatting disinformation There you have it. I've seen TikTok videos go viral being really critical of the US government including its foreign policy. The kind of video that would just be invisible or outright banned from Youtube…

Yes. They’re saying the reason the Houston Chinese embassy was closed down out of nowhere was they were using TikTok data to target/provoke protestors via TikTok in regards to George Floyd protests. People were intentionally targeted to further fan the flames of unrest in this country. It’s also been speculated that TikTok is using the data they get from the US to train their facial recognition and AI tools better.

Every major and minor news outlet and social media netowrk in the country was fanning the flames, including official POTUS statements.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by srtjstjsj »

DethNinja wrote: post #23
ericmay wrote: post #17

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So far it’s only been communist Chinese companies that have had to go through this (to my knowledge) in recent times. Tit for tat and al that. Maybe if China let Facebook, Twitter, etc operate then we wouldn’t have this problem.

There is no such thing as tit for a tat in a civilisation with rule of law. Either USA had privacy laws that forbid Tik Tok from participating in USA marketplace or USA doesn’t have rule of law and operates under some form of dictatorship.

Strong economic, biologic, and anthropologic research shows that tit for tat is the very foundation of civilization.

https://ncase.me/trust/

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