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Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

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Post by octoberfranklin »

summitsummit wrote: post #90
octoberfranklin wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. One requirement for criminal fraud is that you gain something of value.

but you do gain something of value here, privacy. how is value defined in this context?

The legal definition, which doesn't include things like happiness/privacy/karma.

Generally, in court, "value" means "market value" expressed in the currency of the court's country. Often the penalties for various levels of fraud are based on the value (= market value) of the gain -- for example, hypothetically, the law might state that if the value was under $1,000 it's a misdemeanor rather than a felony or that if the value was under $100 you can't be sentenced to prison time.

Something like my own privacy which has value only to one person (me) does not have market value.

[edit: added two paragraphs]

Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

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Post by nom »

axaxs wrote: post #30

If anyone cares, there are a nontrivial amount of companies who have your 'private' LinkedIn info. I don't know if they make fake accounts to friend you, recruiter profiles, or buy it from LinkedIn. I asked one to please remove my info, and they sent me a CCPA form. I told them I didn't live in California, and an agent acted confused and told me to just fill it out, it's the only way to remove it. In short, don't tru…

Two years ago, I got a real 'welcome to LinkedIn' email on my relatively new company email address with my real name that couldn't have been extracted from the address. Password reset did not work, no account existed.

Best guess is someone there messed up when they merged some internal email lists.

Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

#93

Post by EE84M3i »

octoberfranklin wrote: post #86
EE84M3i wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't some of these criminal fraud?

No. One requirement for criminal fraud is that you gain something of value.

> - Put in a mail forwarding card with your name from a former address to a random real address like a Starbucks, Taco Bell, apartment complex w/o unit number, etc.

Perhaps, but I would have assumed creating a USPS mail forward under false pretenses like this would be fraudulent. They seem to take such thing seriously.

GP also mentions in a sibling comment about what to do if you need address verification for something else (which is presumably of value):

> All you need is a passport or driver’s license and a utility bill with current address dated within 60 days. Most of the time the utility bill can be a “photocopy” and you just change the date or address to what you need. DMV is about the only place that needs an original document and will be familiar with what bills from your area look and feel like (because they most likely live nearby also and routinely handle documents from people in the same area as you).

Doctoring a document like this also seems illegal.

Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

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Post by ShorsHammer »

yearoflinux wrote: post #84
axaxs wrote: post #30

If anyone cares, there are a nontrivial amount of companies who have your 'private' LinkedIn info. I don't know if they make fake accounts to friend you, recruiter profiles, or buy it from LinkedIn. I asked one to please remove my info, and they sent me a CCPA form. I told them I didn't live in California, and an agent acted confused and told me to just fill it out, it's the only way to remove it. In short, don't tru…

LinkedIn is pure cancer. They actively tempt you to message your contacts in a way where you think that the recepient would welcome your message right now but it's an opposite situation. This at best creates a communication gap and is at worst rude and might break up communication. I'm shocked that Microsoft which is primarily bases on trust as far as corporate stuff is concerned went for linkedin. I hope they sell t…

I'm always surprised at the number of people in infosec or _really interesting_ defense positions who have linkedin profiles.

It's the lowest rung of where nation states target and you've just handed it to them on a platter.

As horrible as it sounds you all sort of deserve it for selling your soul to such a horrendous platform hellbent on fucking with its users. For some reason we're all worried about tiktok now though.

Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

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Post by yearoflinux »

ShorsHammer wrote: post #94
yearoflinux wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LinkedIn is pure cancer. They actively tempt you to message your contacts in a way where you think that the recepient would welcome your message right now but it's an opposite situation. This at best creates a communication gap and is at worst rude and might break up communication. I'm shocked that Microsoft which is primarily bases on trust as far as corporate stuff is concerned went for linkedin. I hope they sell t…

I'm always surprised at the number of people in infosec or _really interesting_ defense positions who have linkedin profiles. It's the lowest rung of where nation states target and you've just handed it to them on a platter. As horrible as it sounds you all sort of deserve it for selling your soul to such a horrendous platform hellbent on fucking with its users. For some reason we're all worried about tiktok now thou…

Thinking about it, it obviously makes sense. These are people who want to be approached by anyone and everyone and will sell to the highest bidder.

Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

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Post by huffmsa »

ShorsHammer wrote: post #94
yearoflinux wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LinkedIn is pure cancer. They actively tempt you to message your contacts in a way where you think that the recepient would welcome your message right now but it's an opposite situation. This at best creates a communication gap and is at worst rude and might break up communication. I'm shocked that Microsoft which is primarily bases on trust as far as corporate stuff is concerned went for linkedin. I hope they sell t…

I'm always surprised at the number of people in infosec or _really interesting_ defense positions who have linkedin profiles. It's the lowest rung of where nation states target and you've just handed it to them on a platter. As horrible as it sounds you all sort of deserve it for selling your soul to such a horrendous platform hellbent on fucking with its users. For some reason we're all worried about tiktok now thou…

People describe their company's entire tech stack, in detail on LinkedIn.

And the little shot of dopamine they get from being LinkedIn popular would probably make them happy to answer any questions you have about things they left out.

Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

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Post by octoberfranklin »

EE84M3i wrote: post #93
octoberfranklin wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. One requirement for criminal fraud is that you gain something of value.

> - Put in a mail forwarding card with your name from a former address to a random real address like a Starbucks, Taco Bell, apartment complex w/o unit number, etc. Perhaps, but I would have assumed creating a USPS mail forward under false pretenses like this would be fraudulent. They seem to take such thing seriously. GP also mentions in a sibling comment about what to do if you need address verification for somethi…

I think you're copying from a different comment than the one I replied to.

Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

mike_d wrote: post #51
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Fill out surveys at malls with your name and either a phone number or address that matches one currently in your credit file and you can supply false info for the the opposite. - Put in a mail forwarding card with your name from a former address to a random real address like a Starbucks, Taco Bell, apartment complex w/o unit number, etc. - Change the billing address of a credit card or utility and allow to sit for…

Then when you go to open a credit card or actually try to clean up your credit report, you'll need to remember which Taco Bell you randomly pretended to live at to answer security questions.

UK civil service users third party identity confirmation for jobs, companiess like Experian and the Post Office - you know companies that leak personal data like a sieve.

Anyway, one of the verifiers is past addresses, so this sort of thing could prove a problem when applying for jobs in the UK.

Tories gotta tory - put a private firm between people and job applications, demand they give all their ID data to that firm. Oh, and the firms all have recent mass data leaks.

It's a core part of several gov departments (passports, drivers licensing, benefits, taxes) to be able to ID people and the gov have all the data with which to do it. Crazy.

Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

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Post by Scoundreller »

swiley wrote: post #68
summitsummit wrote: post #65

be careful you guys. these are awful people collecting this data, and i'm pretty suspicious that they will use the additional data they gather form you when you opt out ("for proof its you") and use it against you in their other databases. for instance, i confirmed my phone and email info in order to opt out of one but another clone site now says my information is "Verified".

I’m sure in some countries that would make them liable. It’s a shame the US probably isn’t one of them, our litigative culture would put an end to that stupidity very quickly.

Just fill out the forms on your next trip to Europe?

Re: Data Broker Opt-Out List

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Post by Scoundreller »

mehrdadn wrote: post #82
sofixa wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR and the California law inspired by it.

So only for those in Europe and CA? Even re: California, are you sure CCPA implies these data brokers have to respect your opt-out for this particular purpose? (For reference, the opt-outs existed before CCPA and I believe GDPR as well... so you're saying they gained teeth afterward?)

Well, I guess I know what I’m doing the next time I’m in Europe (or even just their airspace?).
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