No! I was enjoying the idea of being able to deny every app that asks. Oh well.
You can go turn it off in settings phone-wide already today.
Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
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Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you realize how much bullshit people buy that they do not need because of ads? People end up with much less money because of that. And the environment suffers too. And no, without apps people would be able to discover new things. Current ads are not about facts but connecting feelings with products.
> Do you realize how much bullshit people buy that they do not need because of ads? People end up with much less money because of that. Other people's issues with financial self-control isn't a solid basis for being against something. By that logic, alcohol, clothing stores, videogames, literally anything that might influence people to buy things they don't really need is bad.
There's a line where what you call "people's issues with financial self-control" becomes a societal/systemic problem. Alcohol and gambling are the classic examples where extra taxation and regulation like age restrictions come into play. Where is that line for general advertising? I don't know. But it's out there.
P.S. Speaking of videogames, I'm of the opinion that many mobile "gatcha" games should be regulated like gambling products. Hoping legislation catches up in this regard.
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you realize how much bullshit people buy that they do not need because of ads? People end up with much less money because of that. And the environment suffers too. And no, without apps people would be able to discover new things. Current ads are not about facts but connecting feelings with products.
> Do you realize how much bullshit people buy that they do not need because of ads? People end up with much less money because of that. Other people's issues with financial self-control isn't a solid basis for being against something. By that logic, alcohol, clothing stores, videogames, literally anything that might influence people to buy things they don't really need is bad.
Ads are manipulative. You do not choose ads but they are in your face. And since recently are completely violating our privacy.
Alcohol is rightfully regulated. Video games in their modern pay to win kind should be too.
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#94This is unfortunate. Adtech is a cancer. We don't need to give it time to adapt, we need to shut it down.
Do you realize the number of free services that one uses thanks to ads? Not everyone can afford to pay for these. I for one use gmail, google maps, google calendar, google docs, etc. Every day
This is just letting people know that the apps which use the advertising are tracking them. If people don't mind getting tracked to fund their apps, they can opt in.
I don't have any trouble with advertising and tracking... so long as it's clear and obvious that it's happening and you have an easy way to opt out. This should make both sides happy.
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I'm curious which large partner or top 10 app provider said they'd delist on iOS if not given a stay of execution. The number of companies that could cause this decision is small.
It is more complicated than that. There is a whole industry that depends on tracking IDFA to function, it is not about being creepy, something simple as knowing if your marketing campaign is effective becomes very hard. On one side we have hoarders of data like Facebook and Google, on another side there are legitimate use cases like app publishers measuring marketing performance. SKAdNetwork was poorly designed, it d…
Even if it's just used to measure click throughs etc, as the user I'd still want to have the ability to choose whether to allow that. It's up to the ad business to convince me to do so. That they really want to use it for non-nefarious purposes.
As a user I really don't care whether they can measure what they want. The adtech business must realise they've undermined consumer confidence so much that the only reason they're getting away with it is that it's so hidden.
Though personally my trust is so far gone that I really want the whole advertising industry to die. But I'm pretty sure most people would still be OK with it, if it is proven to be done in a non-malicious way. I still hear a lot of "targeted ads are more useful because they annoy me less" from people around me :)
But really they have a LOT to make up for.
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#96(Re-posting on this thread) What a bummer! As an iOS user, I was eagerly looking forward to this feature, wanting to tell others about it and how the upgrade to iOS 14 would be worth it just to clearly expose apps that want to track users. I already have ad tracking limited in my settings (Settings->Privacy->Limit Ad Tracking), but that was something I had to explicitly turn on, and there’s no notice on which apps us…
What about using Facebook in a browser like Firefox (not the app).
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#97One thing that removes a lot of credibility from Apple's "for the good of the user" communication on this is that they broke out the personalization for their own ad network as an option, put it in a different location, and made it opt-out instead of opt-in. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/08/07/apple-a...
Certainly seems to open the door for some creative PR campaigns by impacted apps. I'd personally prefer not to have any of the ad tracking stuff, especially at the OS level.
Ad campaigns nothing, that seems like a legal risk to me.
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are plenty of free alternatives to Google that don’t rely on ads and respect your privacy.
What are some free products that don't rely on ads?
Literally every service the previous poster mentioned has an ad free/ tracking free alternative which ships with the iPhone. Aside from that, there are too many "free products" without advertising to list them so you'd need to be more specific.
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#99One thing that removes a lot of credibility from Apple's "for the good of the user" communication on this is that they broke out the personalization for their own ad network as an option, put it in a different location, and made it opt-out instead of opt-in. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/08/07/apple-a...
Certainly seems to open the door for some creative PR campaigns by impacted apps. I'd personally prefer not to have any of the ad tracking stuff, especially at the OS level.
Like it or hate it, app install ads often pay the best and are how a lot of free-to-the-user apps earn money.
Before the wave of whinging I'm not pro ads. I'm just pointing out this is a big disruption to the financial models of many free apps.
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#100One thing that removes a lot of credibility from Apple's "for the good of the user" communication on this is that they broke out the personalization for their own ad network as an option, put it in a different location, and made it opt-out instead of opt-in. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/08/07/apple-a...
One could argue that the initial policy was anti competitive because it artificially inflated Apple's offering over its competitors...
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