Live data from Hacker News

India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

bbc.com

91–100 of 259 posts

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#91
https://internetfreedom.in is doing important work in challenging the Indian government's surveillance and censorship apparatus. If you're passionate about this, consider donating to them and/or participating in the conversation. They're active, from time to time, on r/India as well.

(not affiliated with them in anyway or form, but I do work on anti-censorship tech).

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#92
post #19

Like all other internet bans in India I doubt this one will have any teeth. Everyone has a "Free" VPN app that they use to bypass these restrictions. Most people own Android phones where they can sideload apps downloaded from some third party APK website (of questionable trustworthiness) iPhones have negligible penetration in India so are not even a part of the equation.

You can say the same about Facebook and Google in China...You can sideload or use VPN. Some do. Most don't. Blocking FB & Google ecosystems allowed for China to grow their own competitors.

[deleted]

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#93

Like all other internet bans in India I doubt this one will have any teeth. Everyone has a "Free" VPN app that they use to bypass these restrictions. Most people own Android phones where they can sideload apps downloaded from some third party APK website (of questionable trustworthiness) iPhones have negligible penetration in India so are not even a part of the equation.

This is typical HN mentality to assume that other people are comparatively well versed in technical aspects. 99% indians (may be a little exaggerated figure) don't have any clue about VPN. Most don't even know how to side-install any app. So government actions do have some significance.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#94

https://internetfreedom.in is doing important work in challenging the Indian government's surveillance and censorship apparatus. If you're passionate about this, consider donating to them and/or participating in the conversation. They're active, from time to time, on r/India as well. (not affiliated with them in anyway or form, but I do work on anti-censorship tech).

If you visit r/india do visit r/indiadiscussion as well to see how r/india bans anyone that does not go against their views. It is the most censored subreddit i have ever seen and likely a battleground of information warfare.

I would just suggest third party persons reading both this and above post to visit and analyze it for themselves.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#95
I think this might be related to the Tibetan origin special forces soldier of Indian Army being killed in some recent altercation with PRC on their northern border.[1]

I do think India is going on a slippery slope now. With Tiktok, one can even make a case of it being used to manipulate sentiments and being used for propoganda, but that argument can hardly be made for a game like PubG. It also brings into question whether the ruling government can disrupt a business on its whim of the day.

Also, as far as I understand India is far more dependent economically on trade with China then China is on India. Do they really want to start a trade war with China?

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/01/indian-special...

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#96
post #46

Where is the Indian opposition on this? Are they fully behind Modi's nationalism? There is a raging pandemic. Massive recession. Potential war with China. Internet bans. Crackdown in Kashmir. There has to be some questions?

The average Indian loves Modi. He is India's most liked leader since Indira. How people are looking at it: > raging pandemic It is not his fault. (to some extent they are correct. Covid and India, was like lighting a match in a haystack. Central Govt.'s response to Covid has been far less shambolic than the numbers make it look) > Massive recession Modi gets to blame it on Covid. Demonetization and an unclear fiscal…

[deleted]

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#97
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect this to increase prices for chinese phones. It is well known that xiaomi operates on thin margin so they can push their IT services and recoup the cost.

> IT services Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data.

The first app I install in any Android device I get my hands on is NoRoot Firewall, and block (global) any offensive IPs or URLs.

Another option that annoys me (but I understand it is user friendly to have it enabled by default) is that when you install an app it automatically switches on Data and WiFi access to it (and the firewall blocks it until I allow it).

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#98
post #54

So far in the news (that I consume) I only see countries being agressive towards Chinese software companies. I can't imagine this goes on and continues escalating long before China reacts strongly. What is China's response going to look like? I feel uneasy that their response is going to light the fire even more.

My take is that these markets can only take on China when the Chinese software is the significant player in the market, while they are non-essential for the fundamental functionality of a society. On the other hand, there are barely any significant Indian software on the Chinese market, while lots of American software provide non-replicable (at least not immediately) functionality (e.g. MatLab / Microsoft Office / Windows).

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#99
post #46

Where is the Indian opposition on this? Are they fully behind Modi's nationalism? There is a raging pandemic. Massive recession. Potential war with China. Internet bans. Crackdown in Kashmir. There has to be some questions?

The average Indian loves Modi. He is India's most liked leader since Indira. How people are looking at it: > raging pandemic It is not his fault. (to some extent they are correct. Covid and India, was like lighting a match in a haystack. Central Govt.'s response to Covid has been far less shambolic than the numbers make it look) > Massive recession Modi gets to blame it on Covid. Demonetization and an unclear fiscal…

An interesting tidbit about demonetization not well known is that GoI got 115% cash back, so literally 15% of the cash in the market was fake. It is not publicized officially but well known in inner circles. The problem of cash based businesses not paying taxes (especially real estate) was serious. It is true that the impact was much higher on the common man, but then at least i believe the intention was clear. Very few leaders before had the ability to take such decisions overnight. Economy is really impacted due to NPAs and i can safely argue that misspent stimulus during 2008 have much more to do with it, combined with the fact that the infrastructure development will take time to show results. You have to give credit to Modi for Jan Dhan Yojana, building toilets, accelerating expenditure on solar energy, roads and most importantly the ignored sector of Indian railways. I still feel your comment is the rare balanced comment i will see here.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

#100

I'm hearing that China might impose secondary sanctions on Reliance Jio in retaliation - no Chinese manufacturer can sell them phones or help buildout/maintain their NW infrastructure; tech companies that operate in China would have to divest out of China entirely to do business with Jio, etc.

I as an Indian whole heartedly would welcome such moves by China. Even more opportunity for domestic manufacturers to UP the game.

Jio already proudly claims, No Chinese Equipment on their network.

Post reply on HN