On the flip side intelligence also uncovers huge networks of despicable people.
https://www.thelocal.dk/20161021/danish-man-ran-scandinavian...
Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information
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#92I'd take these allegations with several grains of salt. This smells (stinks) of politics.
You are absolutely correct.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a seriously nutty belief, that you claim to have. This year the increase in our military spending was bigger than Russia's entire military spending. We could cut our military budget in half and still dwarf China's.
Our armed forces are safeguarding Americans from a worldwide foe that could show up anywhere on the globe. To beat the world, we have to outspend the rest of the world combined on defense. Perhaps the greatest danger to American defense is insider threats. If the looming danger from insider threats is stark enough, we will absolutely need to find a way to outspend ourselves on defense.
From virtually everyone else's perspective the US is the worldwide foe.
Your foreign policy has had horrendous effects on the world for the last 50+ years.
Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Our armed forces are safeguarding Americans from a worldwide foe that could show up anywhere on the globe. To beat the world, we have to outspend the rest of the world combined on defense. Perhaps the greatest danger to American defense is insider threats. If the looming danger from insider threats is stark enough, we will absolutely need to find a way to outspend ourselves on defense.
From virtually everyone else's perspective the US is the worldwide foe. Your foreign policy has had horrendous effects on the world for the last 50+ years.
The fewest number of deaths per capita from war that the world has ever seen over a 50 year period?
Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Our armed forces are safeguarding Americans from a worldwide foe that could show up anywhere on the globe. To beat the world, we have to outspend the rest of the world combined on defense. Perhaps the greatest danger to American defense is insider threats. If the looming danger from insider threats is stark enough, we will absolutely need to find a way to outspend ourselves on defense.
This safeguarding is likely what is keeping us in danger. We don't have to pretend we are policing the world anymore, enough time has gone by to be able to say it's mainly modern day imperialism. We can work on our defense on this side of the planet without outlining 'the enemy' with outposts and guns pointed at them for 'our defense'.
Obviously GP is ironic and really agrees with you. "Outspend ourselves"? Does this phrase mean anything? Not even the war pigs are this silly.
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#96When I read about western intelligence agencies, one can't help but look at the last decade or so and ask, what was it they said their job was again, specifically?
Hm maybe it is to protect against China/Russia/Iran/NK stealing our military secrets, you know those ones that protect you and your family from being absorbed into an authoritarian system where you have zero voting rights?
Why is Iran lumped in with the others? They have had fair and free elections for years, certified by int'l watchdogs.
Maybe people don't like the selection process (which weeds out many eligible candidates) but most democracies have a similar process which is itself not democratic.
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#97Let's start a global program for shifting intelligence funding to schools. Education is a better defense than mass surveillance.
Yeah I’m sure when the West abdicates intelligence funding and increases education, the anti-west axis forming/formed will come in by the campfire and sing kumbaya with you.
A lot of the anti-West axis grievances were caused by the intelligence agencies. The Iranian passenger plane downed by bad US intelligence. The Iraq War started on bad intelligence. I'm sure there are others...
Maybe don't abdicate intelligence. But since that government body has seen huge failures over the past decade doesn't it make sense to cut their budget significantly?
Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information
#98The watchdog, the article refers to, Tilsynet med Efterretningstjenesterne, was created on 1 January 2014 as a result of the Snowden leaks in 2013. It is government run, but completely independent from the intelligence agencies and members are appointed by a committee in parliament (except the chairman, who must be a judge on the supreme court).
High Court judge, not that it makes a huge difference.
The high Court is the supreme court in Denmark so the difference is only in the name.
Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information
#99The watchdog, the article refers to, Tilsynet med Efterretningstjenesterne, was created on 1 January 2014 as a result of the Snowden leaks in 2013. It is government run, but completely independent from the intelligence agencies and members are appointed by a committee in parliament (except the chairman, who must be a judge on the supreme court).
That is actually pretty astonishing .. so it was set up to catch the cabalist spy empire that Snowden warned about, and it seems it has snared something .. one can only hope this will be prosecuted in the public sphere.
There is of course much they cannot talk about because it is classified, but they release a report each year the one up to 2018 are available in English here https://www.tet.dk/redegorelser/?lang=en
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, the article says that they are accused of spying on danish citizens and providing the results to foreign entities without authorization or legal base. You ask what were the targets implying that it matters and some "targets" are not as equal as others. Sorry if I've gotten you wrong.
I checked https://www.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/ifkfsi/tre_ledende... - seems like noone really understands what's going on. Internal drama?
If you can read Danish you see what information the public have been given here https://www.tet.dk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/PRESSEMEDDELEL...
Here are the points I think are highlights:
> That FE has on several occasions since the Authority's establishment in 2014 and until the summer of 2020 - in connection with, among other things, the Authority's specific inspections and meetings with the head of FE - has withheld key and crucial information for the Authority and given the Authority incorrect information about the service's collection and disclosure.
> That there is an inappropriate culture of legality in FE's management and parts of the service, where the service's possible unjustified activities or inappropriate circumstances are shelved, including by failing to inform the supervisory authority of matters relevant to its control.
> The submitted material indicates that FE, prior to the establishment of the Authority in 2014, has initiated operational activities in violation of Danish law, including by obtaining and passing on a significant amount of information about Danish citizens.
> That FE has unjustifiably processed information about an employee in the supervision. (TET)